So that we don't lose the flow of the conversation I have taken the time to retrieve all the earlier posts, with the exception of the few that Pitter deleted in the thread { 4/18/07 - CA AB 1634 AMENDMENTS AVAILABLE } in the Breeders forum as she was going back and forth. This is the only post that she left on that thread:
Due to her removing her posts on that thread I did the same so that the intergity of that thread was held intact on topic.
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Pitter Pluba Freshman
Posted Apr 25, 3:52 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by myakkacity: Hu, Is 'In Your Face' one of yours or a favorite of yours?
It is Tuesday 1:43pm, although we are in a no rain forcast for the week, we have plenty of cloud cover and temps. in the low 80's. I stopped by my puter to say good morning even though it is afternoon. At 2:00pm I have to go out and get back to work building cages for my many hens that are hatching out chicks. Right now I have three hens with their own chicks and one hen I have named Nanny Hen that is caring for her own chicks plus any and all stray chicks. She is caring for 17 chicks right now. I have a total of 33 chicks today.
So that is my detailed update, how about you?
Ok so microchips for 38 chickens plus more on the way better order those in bulk lots of 100 so maybe you can get each chip for around 5.00. Then you need a premise ID # and each chicken, rabbit and so on needs there own 15 digit ID #.
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myakkacity Pluba Freshman
Posted Apr 25, 4:17 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Pitter: Ok so microchips for 38 chickens plus more on the way better order those in bulk lots of 100 so maybe you can get each chip for around 5.00. Then you need a premise ID # and each chicken, rabbit and so on needs there own 15 digit ID #.
Ummmmmm What???
great details but not sure what you are talking about.
On April 25, 2005, the USDA released “Draft Program Standards” (“St.”) and a “Draft Strategic Plan” (“Plan”) concerning the NAIS. If you think the description below sounds too bizarre to be true, please go to usda.gov/nais, read the Standards and Plan, and check the citations. By January 1, 2008, the NAIS will be mandatory. (Plan, pp. 2, 10, 17.) Every person who owns even one horse, cow, pig, chicken, sheep, pigeon, or virtually any livestock animal, will be forced to register their home, including owner’s name, address, and telephone number, and keyed to Global Positioning System coordinates for satellite monitoring, in a giant federal database under a 7-digit “premises ID number.” (St., pp. 3-4, 10-12; Plan, p. 5.) Every animal will have to be assigned a 15-digit ID number, also to be kept in a giant federal database. The form of ID will most likely be a tag or microchip containing a Radio Frequency Identification Device, designed to be read from a distance. (Plan, p. 10; St., pp. 6, 12, 20, 27-28.) The plan may also include collecting the DNA of every animal and/or a retinal scan of every animal. BTW I got a call from my USDA and the plan is to use microchips on all animals. Posts: 667 | Location (City, State): The town of don't you worry | Registered: Sat May 28 2005
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Pitter Pluba Freshman
Posted Apr 25, 4:25 PM Hide Post more from the same site listed above; The owner will be required to report: the birthdate of an animal, the application of every animal’s ID tag, every time an animal leaves or enters the property, every time an animal loses a tag, every time a tag is replaced, the slaughter or death of an animal, or if any animal is missing. Such events must be reported within 24 hours. (St., pp. 12-13, 17-21.) Third parties, such as veterinarians, will be required to report “sightings” of animals. (St., p. 25.) In other words, if you call a vet to your property to treat your horse, cow, or any other animal, and the vet finds any animal without the mandatory 15-digit computer-readable ID, the vet may be required to report you. If you do not comply, the USDA will exercise “enforcement” against you. (St., p. 7; Plan, p. 17.) The USDA has not yet specified the nature of “enforcement,” but presumably it will include imposing fines and/or seizing your animals.
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myakkacity Pluba Freshman
Posted Apr 25, 4:34 PM Hide Post TY Pitter that was clearer. Well all I can say on this subject is that it is the way the world is going and IMHO exactly as the Bible perdicts. Soon it will be mandatory that every human be microchipped and there will no longer be cash money exchanged. I heard about this back in the summer 1995 on a christian radio station. Between the two large companies they had come up with enough number sequences to micro chip every living breathing creature on the entire planet plus all future living beings up to the 22nd century. At that time we had no internet or laptops let alone satelite connections.
Personally I will never be mircochipped! I will starve to death first or have my head chopped off willingly!
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Pitter Pluba Freshman
Posted Apr 25, 4:52 PM Hide Post I just wanted you to know the law and the cost of all this and doing the records filing with the USDA is all your responsibility. And you will have to do it exactly the way they want you to and find the program they are using. You will also have to do soil samples and there is a entire program for that you have to account for all manure/waste products. That is only the tip of the iceburg so have fun following the law.
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myakkacity Pluba Freshman
Posted Apr 25, 5:13 PM Hide Post TY Pitter for the information. Although I get the feeling it was more of a dig at me because I commented in the breeders area about my desire to comply with the law of the land. That is okay thou because, you shared information that I had no knowledge of. To be honest I am not worried about it. I actually enjoy filling out paperwork and keeping records. Sounds like the Goverment will be making more work for themselves. I also understand that the American Farmers will have some say in this. On one hand it is a good idea as it will help to keep track of the millions of animals in the US, it would be easier to track down potential problems in food sources. Taking soil samples is not a big deal. All I have to do is scrap the kids every night and put the dirt into a baggy, LOL. And if the Goverment truly wants to keep track of my chickens and chicks I say have at it. LOL it will be funny to see the FBI chasing down a Hawk that snatches one of the Chicks and flys off.
I wonder thou will we have to keep a record for every egg layed, hatched, boiled, fryed, scrambled? Do you think it would be possible to stick feathers into a milk jug and drop the micro chip into it and call it a Rooster.
Okay I am just getting silly now!
Have a great Day Pitter, Me and my lame law complying butt will bid you far thee well!
Now the reason I have done this is to tell Pitter that I took the time tonight to research this whole NAIS thing.
Posts: 1750 | Location (City, State): My House, Florida | Registered: Fri June 09 2006
I know that is a lot of reading above, no real need to. I went to the source as Pitter's links were pretty much crap. NAIS stands for 'National Animal Identification System' In one of the posts that Pitter had deleted she stated that this would all take effect in January 2008.
We’ve made some changes in the system in response to feedback we’ve received from producers. That includes making clear that at the federal level, NAIS is a voluntary system. It’s designed pure and simple to protect animal health, to protect consumer confidence, to protect domestic and world markets, and most of all—to protect producer economic investment and income.
There are way to many things wrong with this whole proposal for it to go through on a mandatory level. As was address in this letter, http://www.usda.gov/FBFComments/Files/5116897-1.pdf Scroll down to page 5
Sorry Pitter but it is always best to be sure of your information before you point it out to someone else. I appreciate the information, to bad you couldn't have done it in a friendly way.
As always I do my best to comply with the laws of the land, I am sorry that bothered you so much that you tryed to throw this at me in an attempt to upset me. The only law I would not comply with is one that tells me I have to deny God. Other then that, I live in the USA and I respect the laws of the USA. No matter if I like them or not!
Have a great day Pitter!
Posts: 1750 | Location (City, State): My House, Florida | Registered: Fri June 09 2006
Thanks TG But I only removed 1 post someone else removed the rest it was not me and really here you go; http://www.channel3000.com/news/13125180/detail.html Yes at this time it is that way but they have the date set as Jan. 1st 2008 to have it manditory. I know I got a call from my USDA last year as they know I am a farm. I spoke with them in great detail about it. edited to add for your last sentance, I see you are not willing to fight for your rights or others rights. So say your local council decided that no more livestock should be in your area and sent you notice to get rid of all your livestock. What I see is Mya doing exactly what she is told without question. Oh you also have all the people that have been working on stopping this for well over a year to thank for the changes on the USDA website. I can assure you it didn't say that last year. Most of all thank the Granny Warriors.
Posts: 742 | Location (City, State): The town of don't you worry | Registered: Sat May 28 2005
http://xstatic99645.tripod.com/naisinfocentral/index.html I read the original before they removed it from there site, so why are they hiding it? So people like you won't think its true, believe what you want I know what I read on there site only a few months ago. And I personally talked to my USDA as they called me telling me it is to be manditory by Jan. 2008. You should voluntary do this Mya, if you don't I ask why then? do you have something to hide? are your ethic's less than rep.? See thats the same thing you did on the other thread so I want to see you stand by your statements.
Posts: 742 | Location (City, State): The town of don't you worry | Registered: Sat May 28 2005
Pitter, I am not worried about it at this point as I truly believe it will never become federally mandatory. There is just to much wrong with the proposal. If you read the one link I post, http://www.usda.gov/FBFComments/Files/5116897-1.pdf
This Gentleman said it all very clearly. Go to page 5 and read it. The biggest part they have a problem with is that the American Public as a whole will never vote for such a bill. It would cost the Tax Payers far to much money for something that is not helpful at all. If they were to make it mandatory to micro chip all live stock they WOULD have to go one further and micro chip all wild life also. That would be like trying to bottle the oceans into 1 gal jugs.
I chose my fights wisely. If I feel there is a high potential for a bill to go through that would impact us in a negative way I would fight it.
Like I said, When the time comes that they make it Law to Micro Chip all humans, I will NOT comply with that law. I will take the punishment first.
This NAIS will never become Law. Way to many holes in the plan.
Pick your fights wisely and never stress about the rest!
Posts: 1750 | Location (City, State): My House, Florida | Registered: Fri June 09 2006
The American people don't have to vote for it that is the point. Yes I have already read that that is a comment to the USDA.
"You should not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause if improperly administered." Lyndon Johnson, 36th President of the U.S.
Posts: 742 | Location (City, State): The town of don't you worry | Registered: Sat May 28 2005
Pitter one more quick thing. First I had no idea until you brought it into the forum that any of this was going on. Now that you have shared this information I am looking into it further.
Posts: 1750 | Location (City, State): My House, Florida | Registered: Fri June 09 2006
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