If you were not allowed to go onto any property such as the school your children attend, would you still allow your children to attend that school?

Question:
Would you allow your children to go on any property that you are not allowed to go on and if you did you would get arrested?

Choices:
Yes, I would
No, I wouldn't
I don't know

 

How did you come up with this question?

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Originally posted by VonLahrheimGSP's:
How did you come up with this question?

That's what I want to know. I would never have even thought of something like this.

Well ladies to be totally honest we are right now living this nightmare. The Guidance Counselor at the Elementary school that two of my grandchildren attend called the police on my daughter last tuesday and had a No Trespass Warning brought against her. The Guidance Counselor was acting Principal for the day.

It is a very long story that I am actually tired of telling. But the jest is it was a retaliation ploy and the Guidance counselor lied her butt off to the Principal, However I think he is starting to see the light as the counselor lied on the police report twice, one of which is were she told the officer that the Principal advised her to get the trespass against my daughter. I think they consider that 'over stepping her authority'.

The other lie was that my daughter has been an ongoing problem at the school. That is interesting as my daughter recieved an award from the school and the county last year for her many volunteer hours at the school and her loyalty to the school. Oh ya and she was signed in that very morning as a volunteer and at work when the counselor went to talk to her.

The jest of the situation is the counselor was trying to push my daughters buttons and my daughter walked away telling her that she needed to discuss the situation with me as I am her childrens advocate. The counselor followed her into the library and continued on while my daughter told her four more times to talk to me. The counselor then told my daughter she was calling the police and then did just that.

She lied to the police, then later the principal who of course believed her side of the story. However the counselor under estimated me totally. As it has come to light that she lied to everyone about what happen when she and my daughter talked in the hallway alone and I can now prove that.

So far there is 1 "I Don't know" to the question, I respect that answer totally, because to be honest it is not an easy decision to make. there are 5 "NO's" and then from where I don't know but there are 4 "YES's" OMG. To those people I have to say great mothering skills there. Sorry but really think about that. If your child is hurt, YOU CANNOT GO TO THE SCHOOL without getting arrested!!! If your child has a christmas show YOU CANNOT GO TO THE SCHOOL! You cannot go to parent teacher conferences. If something happens at school between your child and a student or teacher you cannot go to the school to deal with it. I am sorry but in our house, the Kids don't go NO WHERE that their mother cannot be present.

So just in case you piss someone off at your childs school, be ready for this nightmare yourself and then you will have to decide for yourself if you would keep your kids in the school while you yourself cannot go anywhere near the property.

Hope everything gets straightened out fast. I HATE liars!! Lying is my biggest pet peeve!

I voted No.

No.

ROFLMAO !@!

Yes We All Know How Honest You And Your's Are Mya!

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Originally posted by Truths Here:
ROFLMAO !@!

Yes We All Know How Honest You And Your's Are Mya!

Get lost TH, you're supposed to be guarding the "gates of Hell" for byb, HVB, and Ethics in breeding and showing dogs..

This has nothing to do with dogs..so butt out, idjut!

Personally Mya, I couldn't care less what your daughter did or didn't do.. BUT, I certainly would change schools. This is not good for the children..they have to live with this and deal with other children who could cause them grief if they find out about their mother being banned from school property.

I'm sad this happened to your daughter, but it's the kids that will suffer IMO..

I can say this for our little town school. We don't have problems with kids picking on each other like that. This is a close knit family school where alot of parents volunteer and those that don't or cannot, they still show up once a week to have lunch with thier kids. Most days you see almost as many parents in the lunch room and out side in the court yard as there are kids. The only problem is some of the staff that are so used to getting paid for doing nothing.

A little history on the school. Last year our principal was removed from this school along with some others. Last year and half of the year before for the first time in the school history they had a vice principal. The reason for this was because the school board along with other higher ups were doing an internal investigation into how the school was being run and how the school was showing such great test results while still passing 5th graders on into middle school that were unable to read or write. They cleaned house so to speak, unfortuneatly one or two swoop under the radar. I am happy to say though that it didn't take long for them to hang themselves and soon won't be there either.

I have a school board member working closely with me on this issue, the higher ups in the ESE department are also on it. Now with the police report we can prove that the counselor lied to get the trespass warning and called a loyal volunteer an 'on going problem' at the school.

Several things have come to light this past week and have been passed onto to the people that are working on this and have the power to make it right. Trust me they will do the right thing as they want to keep it out of the court and news paper as much as I do.

As for my grandkids, this whole thing has disrupted our lives. But we are working through it and they are doing well. My granddaughter started testing this past tuesday and the two little ones are doing reading, writing and math at home.

Thank you for your concern. Oh and one other reason changing school is difficult right now is that the nearest elementary schools to us are 30 miles away in all directions. We cannot afford the gas to get them there and back. But the biggest reason is the little one have several close friends they have had since kindergarten that I refuse to pull them away from on a long term basis. We will get this worked out sooner or later.

That's pleasing to know that the kids don't pick on each other like that.

Sounds like your daughter was a threat to someone or something..I don't mean in a way that she was causing trouble, but more like they're trying to "shut her up".. don't take that the wrong way!! LOL.. you know what I mean.

I went through something when my sons were in a small town school. It snowed, and that doesn't happen much here. We were three miles away from the school..(well not quite three, thus the bus could not pick them up, had to be three miles) So each day they rode their bicycles. The day it snowed, there was, a light sprinkling on the ground and nothing on the shoulder of the country road, so I let them ride. We are from the East, and it snows there, this was nothing.

That day after school, my kids, little at the time had walked all the way home alone. I was livid and asked why they didn't have their new bikes. They had been taken away by the Principal, she said it was a law that kids couldn't ride in the snow.."huh"..what law?? What snow??

So, I went ballistic as I had saved every dollar to buy those new bikes, the bus wouldn't pick them up and at the time we only had one car and it was with my husband.. We walked back to the school, demanded the principal hand over the bikes, she said no..NO?? I said, boys, "do you know where your bikes are"..they said "yes we do".. I said, "then let's go get them"..and we did, rode them right down the school hallway and out the door. (No kids were left in the school)

The principal banned the boys from riding the bikes..so I sent them on horseback..I did!! What a sight that was in a modern day school..Shortly after that, they allowed the bike riding again.

Sometimes, you just have to fight back!! My sons are pilots now..so no, to the nay sayers..I didn't turn them into deliquents..LOL.


Good Luck Mya..keep it up.

Well that's a horrible story. I mean, horrible that it happened. I've never heard of such a thing. I voted that I wouldn't know. I sure hope everything gets worked out for your grnadchildren. Everything else I'd have to say would only be a repeat of what Josephine said, you do have to fight back sometimes.

Eva to tell the truth for the first few days we didn't know what to do. We did keep the kids out of school that Wed - Fri. and hoped that the trespass warrent would be dropped. We would have just sent in an excused note stating the kids were kept out due to the trespass warrent. But by Monday we had to make a decision and stick to it. We don't let the kids go anywhere that their Mom or Dad isn't able to have the ability to check in on them at the very least. In this day and age you cannot be to careful with your kids.

Josephine I love that story, mostly the part were you sent them to school on the horse. OMG to funny and good for you. That was a genius idea.

We will do something similar to that tomorrow. The oldest has to go for his ESE, OT and Speech class. This takes about 2 and half hours. Because I don't have a license my daughter must go with us which means all the kids must go. With gas prices the way they are, that means she must wait for me. With it being during the time we home school she must do the home schooling on the lawn by the church next to the school while I bring my grandson into the school for his classes.

Being this is a small town and the word is spreading quickly of this situation we are bringing the police report to show other parents that stop to ask my daughter what happen.

The two things on there that stick out being that the counselor called a loyal volunteer an ongoing problem at the school and the other being she said that the principal advised her and we know that it was a lie, The parents are not happy. Unhappy parents make for huge problems with the school system here.

I will keep ya up on the end results if and when this ever ends. Better be soon as I am going nuts trying to home school three kids in different grades and honestly have NO idea what I am doing, just doing the best I can right now.

I'm most angry that your daughter has to sit at the Church and cannot step foot onto school ground. That to me is outrageous! She has children in that school, children she's responsible for and the school has taken her rights away to keep watch over, and be involved with their schoolastic activities, including their education.

BTW, I sent two horses..I would go to the school on horseback myself, at lunch time with the biggest "pooper scooper" you can imagine!! LOL.. Feed bags and water were taken to the horses too. They had an old hitching post out front they left for "show" and we made good use of it...LOL.

But back to what you are doing re: showing the parents the police report. That's a good idea, although some parents will see it the school's way, other's will not.

Depriving a parent from participating in the schooling and other activities associated with the school, is against all reasoning!

I don't care what your daughter did, short of physical abuse toward an school employee or another child..I find this Trespass Warrant Frivolous...

My concern is, how do they deal with children that are, in their opinion, an "ongoing problem?"

I was the talk of the town..but, eventually, it became obvious, the school had issues, not the parents and Ms Principal was replaced!!

Eva has it correct..it is a horrible thing, so hang in there, I know it's tough, but you will win this battle, you have to..as Eva said.."for the grandkids."

Things went well today, I brought my oldest grandson to all is classes, if you can call them classes. It dawned on me today that I need to see his up dated IEP. He is suppose to be using the Speech to Text program at the school and the ESE teacher is suppose to be teaching him how to use it and utilizing it in her time with him. I don't think that got put into the final draft of his IEP last year. Ah well just another freaken thing to think about.

The two little ones did great with their lessons. I will be glad next week when I am a bit more organized. This week was awkward to say the least.

I love that you took a pooper scooper for the horses poop. I wouldn't of let them have any of my horse poop either. LOL That is valuable stuff when it comes to fertilizer {sp?}

I am waiting to hear something from someone at that school about what is going on, but nothing yet. Part of me wants to wait another week to see if they are in fact investigating it. The other part of me wants to head to due process and get it over with. But I truely hate the idea of suing the school. I am debating with myself of just going to public opinion on this one and see how many parents are dealing with similar issues, which I believe are alot.

I know that tomorrow I am relaxing and then Sunday I am grading papers and setting up next weeks class work for all three kids. It is so much easier when I know what I am doing in advance.

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Originally posted by myakkacity:
there are 5 "NO's" and then from where I don't know but there are 4 "YES's" OMG. To those people I have to say great mothering skills there.

Why would you ask for opinions on a random poll and then attack people that answered your poll but did not agree with you? To have made this way more accurate, you should have added a fourth option which I would have answered. -Those that never see this happening in their life- I seem to have avoided such problems raising my children and having them attend public schools.

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Originally posted by vogel:

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Originally posted by myakkacity:
there are 5 "NO's" and then from where I don't know but there are 4 "YES's" OMG. To those people I have to say great mothering skills there.

Why would you ask for opinions on a random poll and then attack people that answered your poll but did not agree with you? To have made this way more accurate, you should have added a fourth option which I would have answered. -Those that never see this happening in their life- I seem to have avoided such problems raising my children and having them attend public schools.

I am happy to hear that you were able to avoid such a situation while raising your children in the public school. LOL to be honest I did the same as have all but one person that I know of so far. To be honest most retaliation tactics that I have witnessed were more in the form of school officials misplacing doctors notes causing the parents to have to go to courts over the kids absences granted once you are in court you can show the copies of Doctors notes, or school officials calling the child services on parents with fake accusation, yes they prove to be fake in the long run but it is still leaves the inconvience of having to deal with the child services.

One mother at the school that also volunteers at the school with my daughter was told that she can no longer be on school property before 8:00am, but get this the children are allowed onto the property at 7:30am. To many Moms or Dads maybe this would not be a big deal as they simply put their children on the bus. But to many parents in our small town it is a big deal as they drop their kids off and see that from the moment the first bus arrives at 7:30am the kids are left unattended on the playground until the first bell rings, those parents stay to supervise their children.

What happen to my daughter was retaliation due to the fact that the guidance counselor was not doing her job and has not been doing her job. She is not liking the pressure that I was putting on her and the retaliation tactics started last year.

Rest assured that it may not have happen to you, but it could have. Heck it could still happen to you with anywhere you go.

Also you commented about my poll and the three answers I left. To be honest I expected all NO's and some I don't knows. I honestly never expected any parent to say that they would allow their child to go onto ANY property without them that they themselves could actually be arrested if they did accompany their own child.

This day and age I am honestly appauled that any parent would trust the world we live in. My grandchildren do not even go to birthday parties without one of their parents present. And before you laugh at that, I will say that every birthday party that my grandkids attend consist of one parent for every child or group of siblings. Keep in mind we live very close to where three high profile children were taken and killed.

There have been children that were taken right off of school property in towns around us. That is why my daughter and other Moms are on campus everyday. That is also why my grandkids are not going to the school while their mom is not allowed on the property.

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Originally posted by vogel:

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Originally posted by myakkacity:
there are 5 "NO's" and then from where I don't know but there are 4 "YES's" OMG. To those people I have to say great mothering skills there.

Why would you ask for opinions on a random poll and then attack people that answered your poll but did not agree with you? To have made this way more accurate, you should have added a fourth option which I would have answered. -Those that never see this happening in their life- I seem to have avoided such problems raising my children and having them attend public schools.

So what you are saying is "yes" you would allow your children to go to an area that you, yourself, would be arrested if found in and/or on that area?

I'm amazed you did so well with your children considering your values!

A fourth question was not neccessary, it was an easy poll. You're just showing off!

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Originally posted by Josephine:

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Originally posted by vogel:

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Originally posted by myakkacity:
there are 5 "NO's" and then from where I don't know but there are 4 "YES's" OMG. To those people I have to say great mothering skills there.

Why would you ask for opinions on a random poll and then attack people that answered your poll but did not agree with you? To have made this way more accurate, you should have added a fourth option which I would have answered. -Those that never see this happening in their life- I seem to have avoided such problems raising my children and having them attend public schools.

So what you are saying is "yes" you would allow your children to go to an area that you, yourself, would be arrested if found in and/or on that area?

I'm amazed you did so well with your children considering your values!

A fourth question was not neccessary, it was an easy poll. You're just showing off!

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More Drivel From Josephine.

Genius. Did It Not Occur To Your Pea Sized Brain, That Many Individuals Are Not Allowed On The School Grounds That Their Children Attend?

Let's See, What About The Abusive Father? Or The Parent That Has A History Of Selling Drugs? Or What About The Parent That Is A Convicted Pedophile?

We Are Sure That Your Less Than Stellar Mental Abilities Does Not Allow You To Process The Fact That The Children Of Individuals Such As The Above Examples, Should Be Able To Attend School In A Safe Environment, Or That School Staff Should Also Be In A Safe Environment.

That Maya And Member's Of Her Family Might Not Be Permited On School Property Does Not Shock Us At All, As Maya Has More Than Once Demonstrated Her Less Than Ethical Ways Of Accomplishing What She Thinks Is Right, Regardless Of Whether It's Legal Or Not.

The Thought Of Someone Like Her Home Schooling Children Is A Very Frightening Scenario. Poor Kids.