O.k guys!!Looks like we need a HEATED discussion to get things hoppin' around here!
Anyone have an opinion on HYPP and the Impressive bloodline?I personally think they are gorgeous, then so are copperheads-but I wouldn't wanna breed them!!

I love the look of Impressive bred horses, however, as you know, I wouldn't breed one even if it were N/N.Wouldn't even pick one out to own.
I think people who breed N/H or H/H are in it for the money and money only, not at all to put the betterment of the breed first.
I think HYPP is like any other disease and should be avoided when breeding,I do like the looks of Impresive horses BUUUUUT I don't think that a disease that was pretty much man made by the inbreeding should have been carried out like it has. There are plenty of other things to try and breed out , why add something and then try to breed it out??
I have just always been against the Impressive horses for breeding.
Thats my 2 cents.

Not ignorance, not at all.I never said that i thought it could be passed, i never said that.You are reading my post wrong or reading into it.

I can assure you CG when it comes to the HYPP disease I am anything BUT ignorant, I have studied QH's since I was 12 years old and have studied this disease right along with bloodlines.
I made my mind up as a child that I would never breed Impressive descendants and to this day I have not changed my mind.

And actually if a N/N horse is bred to an affected horse yes it does have a chance of producing an affected foal.

Hyperkalemic Periodic Paralysis is inherited as a dominant trait, which means a heterozygous (N/H) sire or dam with a N/N sire or dam will produce approximately HALF affected and half normal.

And HYPP can be treated through diet and medication with some horses, but not all.Still doesn't mean I think ANYONE should take the chance of breeding a H/H or N/H horse.


A.Q.H.A. deems HYPP an undesirable trait along with Parrot mouthed and Cryptorchid's, which I think everyone should see it the same way, it is an undesirable trait, and for me PERSONALLY I just choose to not have anything in my equine lines that are related to the carriers. No other horse in the history of any horse breed has HYPP ever came up but in Impressive and his offspring. Impressive was a result of severe inreeding. HYPP (IMHO) is a man made disease.

HYPP is a horrible disease that is inherited and causes those affected with it to have uncontrollable muscle twitching or profound muscle weakness, and may even cause death.
Just not something I want anywhere in my horses lines at all,no where!

If anything I am very knowledgable about this disease and I consider myself very responsible when it comes to preventing my foals to have it, I steer clear of the line altogether. Its a personal choice for me.
My mother has Impressive in her horses lines, so does my sister.Its someone's choice to breed what they want, I choose not too, that does not make me ignorant.

How nice it would be if dog issues were all simple recessives we could test for and get results like that...CLEAR, CARRIER, AFFECTED. Easy. Clear will NEVER produce the problem, even if bred to an affected (and who would do that?)

Not true at all, half the offspring would be affected.

Carrier DOES NOT HAVE THE PROBLEM and will never produce the problem if only bred to a Clear (the offspring would have to be tested to see if it is carrier or clear, but it could NOT be affected)

If two N/N horses are bred the offspring does not have to be tested with AQHA, not sure about other reg's.


and of course, affecteds should never be bred.

I agree!

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Originally posted by CardiGuard:
. It gives you peace of mind that with a beautiful Impressive related horse, you can produce beautiful foals without worry, if you do the right thing.


The goal is to eliminate the PROBLEM, not the bloodlines in general.

CG

As USUAL, Kinzel beat me to it !I have a double bred Impressive mare and intend on breeding her, but ONLY if she comes back N/N.
The ONLY way to be safe on HYPP is N/N or nothing!And with prohibiting an H/H horse from being registered in '07 is NOT really helping to eliminate the problem, I believe N/H and H/H should have been banned MANY years ago, now it is too little too late, in my opinion!)
Pray Kats' test comes back NEGATIVE!!

I got my fingers crossed girl!!
But as you see I never said that you shouldn't breed an N/N horse, just said I wouldn't, and you know I made my mind up with that years and years ago, its just MY personal breeding No-No.

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Originally posted by Kinzel2:
I got my fingers crossed girl!!
But as you see I never said that you shouldn't breed an N/N horse, just said I wouldn't, and you know I made my mind up with that years and years ago, its just MY personal breeding No-No.

OH, I am WELL AWARE of your opinion !!As not long ago we had the same!But... Kat kinda got me thinkin'!But if she IS N/N- I will only breed her N/N!If she is N/H, oh well, I got me a good ridin' mare !

Well I know you would never breed an N/H or H/H horse.
Before the testing for HYPP was available H/H horses were bred the most, and for halter because the HYPP disease does give them more muscles, which is wanted in halter classes.
So since the H/H horses looked so good they were and still are bred for halter.
Good thing you just like a rider anyway.

Nope CG, HYPP is dominate.

Good thing you just like a rider anyway.[/QUOTE]

JUST A RIDER?? OH BOY BETTER CLARIFY THAT!!I like a Hard-headed, attitude filled horse!Those are USUALLY the ones (in my experience) that open a can of whoop-***, in the ring!!

Well, crap, I thought it was a simple recessive. That is what I meant by clear, carrier and affected...and btw, a dominant trait CANNOT be carried...

HYPP is inherited as a dominant trait


so not sure I understand the disease status of N/N, H/N and what is the affected called? H/H? Or is that H/N?

N/N means it cannot be passed on to the foals ONLY if bred to another N/N, if the horse is H/H that means ALL foals will be affected no matter what you breed it to,if NH then if bred to a N/N only half of the foals will be affected.

I still dont see why, if N/N is clear and unaffected, it would bother you to use it in a breeding program if bred to n/n or non-impressive bloodlines. That is truly the definition of throwing the baby out with the bathwater!

No, because I can get the same traits I want from another bloodline without this disease anywhere in it, so thats not throwing anything out, that is accomplishing the same goals without having this disease anywhere in the line.

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No, because I can get the same traits I want from another bloodline without this disease anywhere in it, so thats not throwing anything out, that is accomplishing the same goals without having this disease anywhere in the line.[/QUOTE]

And THAT folks, is the reason there are a bazillion different lines and breeds and choices out there!To each his own!

No it is nothing like compared to the Merle gene, this is two totally different diseases.


See CG, the reason people like to breed the H/H is because HYPP is a muscle disease, the more affected the bigger the muscle, so its like getting a surefire winner .Disgusting yes, but some people are all about the $ !!

For me its just more of a personal thing.
Since that disease is a muscle disease even if the horse doesn't have the disease it still makes their muscles bigger they look better. To me (IMHO) its cheating, its like you pretty much KNOW you are going to get an awesome looking horse, but its because of the disease you are getting it, even if the horse is not sick, it is still because of that disease in that line that the muscles are as big as they are.
For me personally I am a foundation breeder. Anyone who breeds foundation wouldn't touch Impressive lines with a 10 foot pole, although here recently I have seen some people buying descents from him like great great grandkids and trying to work them in their lines.
For me personally though I want my lines 100% foundation as far back as they can be traced, no Thoroghbred at all, its just my way of doing things.
I want strictly foundation, Impressive is not. And I don't support the breeding of sick animals at all,or creating a disease just to win at the shows, thats why I am firmly against the breeding of his descendants at all.Because his line should have never become as big as it has. Had they not inbred so much that disease would have never impacted the Q.H world like it did. So I gues i just see Impresive as a genetic defect himself.
Its hard for me to explain , I hope you can make sense of it.
I just have always had more respect for the people who can take other horses and match the breeding so well that they produce such a fine animal that can win at halter, not the people who just breed Impressive line to impressive line cause its a sure fire way of winning. Its too easy that way, but it take so much more knowledge and so much more effort to do it without the disease.

To break it down more simply, I guess its like this...

When you look at that awesome horse you bred, you can't take the credit for creating something so near perfect because of your knowledge of how to combine two great horses so perfectly, you must give the credit to a man made disease lurking in the background.
I just see it as cheating.

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Originally posted by Kinzel2:
Anyone who breeds foundation wouldn't touch Impressive lines with a 10 foot pole,

And I don't support the breeding of sick animals at all,or creating a disease just to win at the shows, thats why I am firmly against the breeding of his descendants at all.
So I gues i just see Impresive as a genetic defect himself.
Its hard for me to explain , I hope you can make sense of it.
I just have always had more respect for the people who can take other horses and match the breeding so well that they produce such a fine animal that can win at halter, not the people who just breed Impressive line to impressive line cause its a sure fire way of winning. Its too easy that way, but it take so much more knowledge and so much more effort to do it without the disease.

OH BOY!! OH BOY!! You are SURE gonna start somthing with those!!!
This coming from a lowly cheatin'- recent Impressive convert!!

Bring it on sista!

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Originally posted by Kinzel2:
Bring it on sista!

Forgettin' who we are gettin' cocky with aren't we Kinzel ??
I am quiet only because I have not been well socialized!

Lets debate then!

We pretty much think the same WAY, DUMB *SS!! I just happen to fall in love with a Montague(Romeo and Juliet).

Ha Ha Ha ~!!!!!!!

Traitor!!