hey you guys, i want to crate train my puppy (who is driving me NUTS heh) but i can't afford a crate and can't find one in any thrift stores around here. i'm in north carolina so if anyone wants to "donate" a crate it would be much appreciated!

Be responsible, get your pets spayed or neutered! :-)

What size is your puppy?Walmart has them starting at 15.00.Which is for the small.

puppy is a chow mix, which means that she would probably need a medium to large size crate. the ones for small doggies are cheap, but once you get bigger doggies, the price goes up. what's up with that? like we got a dog house for our big huge dog and it was 70 bucks! the smallest one was only 35. but i'll spend the money that i have to to make my pets feel comfortable. i won't be able to buy a crate for another....month or so. stupid money problems....

Be responsible, get your pets spayed or neutered! :-)

I know what you mean there.Yu can buy a 20 oz Soda for 1.09 a 2 litter for 1.29 and a 3 litter for 1.59 so the smaller you get the more expenisive.LOL
Try petedge.com they have good prices on other things maybe on crates too.Good Luck!

i got one off ebay last night for about 30 bucks. should be here next week...dont' know if i can wait that long lol! thanks for your advice though!

Be responsible, get your pets spayed or neutered! :-)

If it is used be sure to totally wash it down in clorox.Just to be safe.And Good Luck with the training!

i'm pretty sure it's brand new, but i would wash it with bleach anyway, don't want my pain in the butt puppy getting sick on me!

Be responsible, get your pets spayed or neutered! :-)

LOL me either.All puppies are pains in the butt,but are fun!Like kids(in both ways)!

If you want to crate train, I highly recommend a book that I found at my local library called, " How to housebreak your dog in 7 days." It takes more than 7 days to get them on schedule, but the methods teach them where they are or are not supposed to potty and develops the pattern of pottying outside. I only had 3 potty accidents in the house and was fully trained in about 2 weeks. My best advice is to feed them at the same time everyday and get their bodies set on schedule especially if you work. Once you get them "trained" where they no longer potty in the house or in the crate, you could give them a rabbit bottle for water when they are caged. If you are doing crate training to be crate training and not for potty training, the book will still help. To this I would say that if your puppy wines and throws a fit, you should ignore him. If you respond, you will find that it will take longer for him to get the concept of confinement. You should buy some Bitter Apple spray. When he wines, respond once by saying the command quiet. If he continues, go to him spray the bitter apple in his mouth and repeat the command. After a couple times of this, he will get the hint. Anyway, good luck.

just wanted to let you know that clorox will NOT...yep, it will NOT kill all the germs contrary to popular belief and we never know where a crate has been. Take amonia and mix it with 10 parts water, hence 1 oz amonia to 10 oz. water and completely spray down the crate and let it air dry. It's the only true preventative and you know they got rid of the crate for a reason......just wanted to let you know. good luck!!

It was a brand new crate anyway, but bleach is the only thing that will kill parvo.

Your Pet deserves the best care available. If your pet is sick, take it to the vet! Be responsible, get your pets spayed or neutered!

sorry, but it's been researched and amonia mixed 10 to 1 with water being the 10 is the ONLY thing that will kill the parvo and distemper viruses. Bleach may help to disinfect the crate for anything else, but not parvo or distemper. I've spent countless hours researching these two diseases along with coccidia and worked with numerous vets and research facilites.....amonia is the only thing that kills the parvo and distemper virus and people need to be aware of that. most people think bleach kills every virus or bacteria...it simply does not. thank you for caring about your pets.

Well, you go ahead and use ammonia, and I'll just keep using my 1:30 ratio of bleach and water to kill the parvovirus in my yard from my dog Shadow. That is what the vet told me to do, and it even states it on the Clorox bottle. *shrugs*

dragonfly: thank you for recommending the website and i did read it and that's someone else's opinion. I have actually worked researching this virus and that article is just incorrect. Your dog hopefully won't get parvo or distemper if he has his shot every year(a shot is not a guarantee, only a preventative)...it's good to clean up after the pet with clorox and we do that too with our inside and outside dogs. Amonia has been proven as the only thing that will kill the parvo virus and keep it from spreading. Another thing that is incorrect on that website is the part where it says what to do after the animal recovers. It's truly a very rare case that an animal actually recovers from parvo and even rarer if it's healthy and normal. Parvo gives the animal who gets the disease neurological damage almost right away and that is something is really not repairable. If a puppy gets parvo or is born with it, like lots of them are, they can live up to 8 weeks. Some of them live for 6 weeks like a perfectly, normal dog and then overnight they get sick and sometimes even overnight they get sick and die. Some of them suffer for up to 2 weeks before they die. It is very painful for them. Only last week, a beautiful, perfect, little catahoula pup was brought in and the guy said it was diagnosed with parvo. It was so hard to believe that we called the vet to see. Yes, he did have it. This pup was fine and he stayed the night in the shelter and the next morning, he had passed away. Just like that. It's a terrible pet disease and with all the money that is spent to save an animal and I can tell you those kinds of stories too if you ever want to hear---you would think they would find a cure by now??? It seems that no one really wants to cure the dogs of parvo or distemper or maybe they really just don't care? This is a question I ask everyone..maybe you can answer it for me?

Ahh, that is where you are wrong. We got this dog from an animal shelter, where she had parvo to begin with. We took her to the vet the next day and they kept her for 4 days. She survived. My mothers dog was diagnosed with parvo when he was about a year old. We took him to the vet and he survived. There is a 50/50 chance that a dog will survive from parvovirus. Both these dogs are happy and healthy dogs right now. They have no neurological damage that you mentioned. Parvo does not attack the central nervous system, it attacks the intestines. Once a dog has parvo, it depletes the cells in the intestines that aid in digestion. In addition, it reduces the amount of white blood cells that the dogs body produces and depletes the bone marrow. Needless to say, we spent over $500 on her survival, but she did survive. A second thing, Parvo is a virus not just a disease. There is no cure for a virus. Once anybody finds a cure for any virus, then the world will be a better place. I think you may have been misinformed.

okay, i'll buy that(I think it was the distemper that causes the neurological damage)......but my question was why haven't they bothered to find a cure for this disease? It would make you ill to know the amount of innocent little doggies and puppies that suffer and die from this disease. Our local vets, we have 5 of them all told me the same thing---that the animal rarely lives if it contracts parvo. A grown up dog has a better chance and the puppies never make it at all. The only way a puppy makes it is if it contracts it after it's 8 weeks old and has had its shots. I worked with a research group trying to find out why so many animals are getting this disease and why there is no cure. We didn't have much luck on the cure, but the reason the animals pass the disease is because some of them are only carriers and don't actually have the disease themselves. Sounds a lot like aids to me. I do know you're right about it attacking the intestines....their little stomachs just shrink up to nothing in no time at all. Some of them don't live long enough to have the total effect, like the catahoula I mentioned. I have noticed that if the puppy looks a little bit boney--like maybe his bones are a bit bigger than his body, then he's probably not well. A lot of people know their mama dog has parvo and then dump the puppies on an unsuspecting shelter or rescue place. It's expensive to have every dog tested. Get this: A lady came in a few weeks ago and her mama dog was tested positive for parvo and she had it put down because the vet told her it wouldn't make it--too advanced in the stage, unless she wanted to spend hundreds of dollars to try and save it. She said she couldn't afford to. Then she wanted to dump the puppies. She took one puppy to the vet and it was tested negative. Sometimes the tests are wrong--we have also found that out the hard way. So since that one was negative, she dropped off 3 of her puppies. She adopted one out to someone else. Well, the one she adopted out, the tested one, was fine and still is as far as I know. The other 3 were dead the next morning. They didn't look sick at all, nor had their stomachs shrunk up. The vets have told us on numerous occasions that they can't always tell what is wrong with the dog....if they don't know, they say its parvo. Hence, the reason it seems that some dogs recover or maybe actually do. None of them have ever recovered in this county in the 11 years I've been here and I did ask each and every one of the vets personally. Also, the tests can come out as inconclusive. Then it's up to the vet to decide what's wrong by examing the dog. The dog may have symptoms of parvo or distemper, which are very similar and then he might say, well, I'll give it antibiotics for parvo. Maybe he gets lucky and maybe he doesn't. I had a puppy I had checked at 4 weeks and no parvo, distemper, or coccidia (another one of those dang diseases) and he was clear. I had him checked again at 6 weeks and he was clear. When he was 7 1/2 weeks old, he was sick and I took him in and he was diagnosed with parvo. The third testing finally showed parvo. Why? Oh, none of the vets can answer that one!! I can't find an answer to that question either--maybe you can help me here? The little guy was fat and growing like a weed and then just overnight, he looked like he lost half his size in weight and then the next day, gone.I couldn't save him. The vet had advised that i give him electrolytes every 15 minutes and I did that diligently for a good 48 hours--I did not want him to die and I truly believed he could be saved. I loved that dog so much and he stole my heart away and I know that's a sad story, but it happened and so many other people have had those same things to happen with this disease. Maybe you can help us figure out how to do something about it or maybe if you have some time, do a little research on your own and find out why there is no cure? Any help is greatly appreciated.

sorry for calling it a disease...it is parvovirus....but i call it a disease because it kills like a lot of diseases do

just one more thing.....are you and i the only ones participating in this discussion lately? okay by me....hopefully we'll learn something....that's the main reason I come here to talk...get other's views, etc. It's very interesting to me. Thanks in advance for any help you have to offer.

Hmm, sounds like you may need to find another vet. When our dogs had parvo (both at different times), the vet administered fluid subcutanously (through an IV under the skin). They're called lactated ringers. The fact that most dogs either will drink water excessively and vomit it back up or either not drink water at all completely defeats the purpose of your vet telling you to give him electrolytes for him to drink. Especially if he was vomiting. Since dogs get dehydrated very very easily, they must do it subcutanously. Like I said, since it's a virus, they won't find a cure until they find a cure for any virus. I mean, if they found a cure for parvovirus, then they have a cure for AIDs, that would be great! The vet I took Shadow to, the dog with parvo, said that pretty much any dog that contracts parvo (as long as you catch it in the first stages, such as vomiting, watery diarrhea, lethargy, no appetite, etc) has a 50/50 chance of living. If you catch it in an advanced stage (bloody diarrhea, for instance) then really there is only a ten percent chance of that dog living. Because once there is bloody diarrhea present, then pretty much all the cells in the intestine have been depleted and they don't have a chance to reproduce because of this debilatating virus. I will do a little research around here and find out about the exact statistics in my area. Maybe if we all put our heads together, we can at least control this virus a little better.