So let me get this straight...

We are in Iraq to fight the war on terror so that we don't suffer future terrorist attacks in America.

Yet, we can't defend our own people in times of our own national crisis since our nation's resources are focused in places other than our own country.

What to make of that...

-mod

It is sad. We are vulnerable aren't we? I will say thou that right now thousands of our active military are on the way down there to help. I won't talk politics but we need to remember N.O. is huge had it been a smaller town this probably wouldn't take so long. Plus these people didn't listen when told to evacuate. I don't want to blame them as they are the victims but it's true. My husband said the problem is that they cried wolf too much. Always telling them to evacuate then the storm doesn't end up being too bad and now when they should of listened they didn't because they were numb at being told how bad the storm would be.
I don't agree with them holding them in the silverdome, if they want to walk out and use their own feet to walk out of the town they should let them. My only guess is they want to try and keep everyone accounted for as best as they can. I just hope not too many people pass.

Sheltieluvr the problem was not they did not wanna leave it was that the could not leave or evacuate ,Because they had no way to leave. You know they are the poor... I feel that the government Knew that this area was the poorest of the poor .I feel that the goverment should had help those to leave before it hit. you stated that you don't think it is right to hold them there .Where are they to go? I mean if they could walk out on their own? why didn't they just leave then? doesn't NO have gators down there I thought I seen that on the news and if so would you wanna walk in an area where the Gators are?

it is really me darschis lol didn't log in., but anywys yes they have gators there, remember trading spouses, the one mom was from there witht he little boy can't remember his name and her long blonde haired hubby., "Cute one" he was. ANYWAYS he raised gators or what ever for a living. I been thinking alot about them if they made it out or if they was hit hard or what not. as for the poeple leaving there is a family that came to my state 2 days before ithappened i beleive.. they said what would normally take an hour or two to drive took 14 hours........... the ones that got stuck on the highway i dont think htey had enough time to get out. how can you tell people to get out when the roads are clogged with cars already? I'm sure many of the people didn't even have a place to go... born and raised there.. where would you go if you had no family anywhere else. would you want to leave the ones that are missing and you have no idea where they are.. what if it had happened to YOU? could you imagine hidng in your attick with water all below your feet and not able to move hoping your house is gonna stay put. Every noise you hear you think omg is the house letting loose?... i'm nto bashing here., just saying that in MY opinion i dont really think NO had enough time to tell the people to ALL Get out.

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Originally posted by Talk Moderator:
So let me get this straight...

We are in Iraq to fight the war on terror so that we don't suffer future terrorist attacks in America.

Yet, we can't defend our own people in times of our own national crisis since our nation's resources are focused in places other than our own country.

What to make of that...

-mod

I dont believe for one minute we are there to fight terrorism.

At the time of 9/11 we were told we were going in to Afghanistan to cleanse Al Queda and capture Bin Laden. Bush failed at this so it was swiftly swept under the rug and attention was turned to Iraq.

At this point we were told that we were looking for Bin Laden in Iraq and suddenly we were on a mission to cleanse Iraq of Saddam and all of his weapons of mass destruction. We were told our govt had proof of these weapons, yet none were found. At this point our original reason for going into war in Afghanistan was already beginning to be pushed aside by Bush and the media.

Next, we capture Saddam, and the Bush propaganda machine promptly turns the situation into a massive "War on Terror" campaign in general. It was time to turn to yet another "reason" for this war. Did Bush forget why we went to war to begin with, or does he simply choose to ignore his past reasons and not speak of it, hoping we forget?


People need to realize how much the media that we are being fed has changed recently. The majority of our mainstream media is now owned and backed by conservatives with an agenda. NPR is facing a major crisis as we speak, with the govt trying to take away a majority of their funding-a situation that will financially doom them and send yet another non-conservative public media outlet to its grave..

NPR actually did a report interviewing reporters from many venues a few months ago. These mainstream reporters from many networks had all been contacted by high-ups from the Bush admin threatening them to basically "watch what they say or else." They said in all their years of working in the media, they have never experienced anything like the threats ad attempted censorship they have seen recently.

The situation in this country has gotten out of control in recent years. So much of what has been going on sounds far fetched and anyone who relies on network news for information is being blinded from the truth through censorship and biased reporting.

We need to wake up and stop being a nation of sheep who cannot think for themselves..blindly going along with what we are told, without looking deeper for the truth.

If anyone cares to look deeper into the situation, here a link to start http://www.moveon.org/moveonbulletin/bulletin7.html
Unbiased information is out there and online, if we take the personal initiative to look for it.

As voters we need to look beyond the pre-rehersed "debates in a box" that we see on tv. Dig a little deeper and find out what financial and ethical interests our polititians really hold behind the scenes, not just what they tell us based on convenience and addding another vote to the ticket.

Hopefully if anything good can come from this recent tragedy on our own soil, it will wake a few people up and spur them to ask a few hard questions about why we are sending all of our resources overseas. They say things happen for a reason.

And to answer you original statement Mod. THAT is what I think of it! (well a the extremely condensed version anyway, lol)

/end of rant

They had PLENTY of time to get them out, and/or for people to leave on their own. Many just didn't have the means to leave, which is where the local government failed them. They should have had busses filling the streets of those neighborhoods days before the storm hit. DAYS before the storm hit, they were telling people to get out. They knew many had no cars, money, or a place to go. I heard them talking about it myself! It was the local government who dropped the ball on this one.

I'm sure there are those who still would not have left even if they had a bus sitting right in front of their house, but many would have had they had the means to do so. All of those busses they brought in to transport people out of the Superdome and the Convention Center SHOULD have been in that city 3 days before the storm ever hit.

Gheraldo (sp) was on TV the other night and he said people wanted to leave the superdome in N.O. and they locked them in. These people wanted to get out to walk out of town on their own and they won't let them. That is what I am saying, they are being held captive in there. Why not let them leave if they want to? Why make them wait until someone is ready to come take them by bus?

I am talking about right now why can't they leave on their own, not before the storm hit. Gheraldo said there is a clear highway they could walk on, it is the highway that he came in on.

They aren't locked in there anymore. They got them all out yesterday. Before, I think it was for their own safety, and the fact that they can't have thousands of people out wandering the streets. That just wouldn't make any sense.

I totally agree CK, I had posted that in my earlier post but I think they could of done something like a convoy. Maybe having people follow a specific truck, not making them go but letting them go if they like. Some people really wanted to leave and walk on their own but they weren't able too. Well I am glad they finally got them out. I hope these rescue efforts don't take too long to complete. i couldn't imagine being stuck somewhere for this long, with or without my kids. Worse if I had my kids with me, which makes me sick to imagine having to hold my starving children and nothing I could do for them. I cry everytime I turn it to the news to see what new thing is going on. I just am so sad for these people.