It amazes me how our country thinks sometimes. Our country enforces a law for illegal immigration and our country is referred to as a "racist country" for charging people with a felony for coming in to this country illegally. What is wrong with our country for thinking about changing this???? It really urks me to think that as an american these people have more rights than we do. We give them free medical, free education, etc. and I've never received anything free all my life. Not only that, but we are supposed to provide them with water and food while they are trying to sneak across the border so nobody dies. Yikes! It scares me to think of what the future will bring for this country.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dinky Dog:
It amazes me how our country thinks sometimes. Our country enforces a law for illegal immigration and our country is referred to as a "racist country" for charging people with a felony for coming in to this country illegally. Well, for one if everyone did do that for "FREE", everyone would. And there goes my childs future jobs. They already make moneys here and send it home. There goes our money, tax free to them and that's our excess of expenditure over revenue. For one. What is wrong with our country for thinking about changing this???? I don't even know what it is now. . I'm just saying what I think. And I think really they should work to get over here and spend thier moneys here. It really urks me to think that as an american these people have more rights than we do. We give them free medical, free education, etc. and I've never received anything free all my life. Not only that, but we are supposed to provide them with water and food while they are trying to sneak across the border so nobody dies. Yikes! It scares me to think of what the future will bring for this country. /QUOTE] Second amendment right to "keep and bear arms"

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Originally posted by Dinky Dog:
It amazes me how our country thinks sometimes. Our country enforces a law for illegal immigration and our country is referred to as a "racist country" for charging people with a felony for coming in to this country illegally. What is wrong with our country for thinking about changing this???? It really urks me to think that as an american these people have more rights than we do. We give them free medical, free education, etc. and I've never received anything free all my life. Not only that, but we are supposed to provide them with water and food while they are trying to sneak across the border so nobody dies. Yikes! It scares me to think of what the future will bring for this country.

DD - As someone who lacked health insurance for many years (real estate 1099 status, then my own freelancing - self-employed), I have often envied my neighboring Canada's free health care. I had a friend (from here) who went south as active border patrol after getting out of the service. I agree with you in that I DO think there should be better regulation with regard to immigration. Perhaps a more diverse sponsoring program would help that.

Rather than looking at the problem, I think about how to find possible solutions. I have worked at a Montessori school with a gal from Iran who has a Masters in Early Childhood Ed.; my pet nanny is from Puerto Rico; the owner of my fave restaurant is from Jamaica; my eye doctor, a brilliant young man from India... In tiny, remote Portland, Maine right across the harbor from me, we have one of the biggest per capita melting pots. I have learned from, worked with, benefited from knowing - and helped teach some of these people. They came in legally - though some of the family of the gal getting her Master's did not.

I also realize that we are still a bit sheltered here with regard to mass crime, gang wars, and such - so I may have a slightly more accepting view. I am in Maine not Miami - and I know there's a big difference hence. I still believe, though, that "them that can, do." As Americans, yes - we do spend an awful lot of time and resources helping other countries - sometimes, it does seem a bit 'over the top' when there are those among us - Americans - who are going with less or without daily.

Still and all, America overall is a bountiful country. We DO have a lot to give. The hard part is in establishing any sort of enforceable criteria. The best anyone seems to have come up with is border patrol. Sadly, it's a common theme, too, that as long as there are farmers or business owners looking for 'cheap labor', illegal immigrants will have jobs. I can't dislike the workers who send $$ back 'home' to support their families.

I can get peeved, on the other hand, that there are fewer jobs and often insufficient aid for our citizens. It is not an easy fix. Unless the govt. better subsidizes "rutabaga farmer A," he will continue to employ illegal immigrants. In the end, I think the only things we can do - as with anything - will start with better awareness. For every one illegal who makes it, there are probably 100's worse off and stuck in their own predicaments. Who am I to judge? I still think bottom line: them that can, do.

"It's not enough to have lived. We should be determined to live for something. May I suggest that it be creating joy for others, sharing what we have for the betterment of personkind, bringing hope to the lost and love to the lonely?"
— Leo Buscaglia, author and university professor (1924-1998)

What America is now Tom, is a scary place. We have people who are sneaking in this country left and right and also many terrorists who are in this country that nobody is aware of. Do you really think that it's okay for them to come here and break the law, rather than enter here legally. Many people are looking for a better way of life, but what about the people in america that want a better way of life? The problem with this country is that we are so busy helping everyone else, we are forgetting about our own country and our people.

Let me tell you a little story. My husband applied to go to Iraq to fight in this war. He wanted so much to go and fight for his country. I didn't want him to go, but that was his choice. He was going to be a canine handler doing bomb detection because of his years of experience in dogs. He was given a date to deploy and only had about 2 weeks to prepare. The man did everything that he was supposed to do to leave. He went to the dentist and paid several hundred dollars for dental work, he did all the drug testing, purchased additional eye glasses, etc. After a lot of money spent he received a letter 2 days before deployment that he could not go. Not a phone call.....a letter that was shipped overnight. Now mind you, these people were in contact with him every day and sometimes several times a day. The letter stated that he was rejected because of hospital bills on his credit report. Yeah, because we were self employed and unable to afford the high cost of medical insurance. I had surgery several years ago and the medical bills aren't paid. If that wasn't bad enough.....the letter stated that he should contact them to try to resolve this problem. He called them every day, sometimes more than once, leaving messages for someone to return his call about it. It has been almost 2 months and to this day, nobody has had the decency to return his call and discuss it. He contacted everyone that he had been conversing with on a daily basis to discuss it and no calls were ever returned. From that day on my husband, who was a very patriotic person, has removed any and all American flags off our property and I understand why and I support him. Because we were unable to pay the high price of a health plan in our own country, he is being punished. Yet, we provide illegal aliens with free medical. This country is slowly going under.

It just makes me laugh that illegal aliens are breaking the law of this country and then have the nerve to bitch about it. Then we have good ole Mrs. Clinton promising to fight the bill and then rationalizes it with this comment "is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures, because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably Jesus himself." WTF is that? Now I am not a believer of Jesus, but what in the world does he have to do with illegal aliens?

to DD

I agree with DD's statement.

I want to say this as well you know alot of americas Company's are either moving to china and mexico. so why are the mexicans moving here?

Wow, Dinky that's a messed up story. I'm so sorry for your husband. That's just not right that he was treated that way.

Yeah CK, it was pretty messed up. I felt sorry for him because he went in to a depression about it. He was ashamed to say that it was because of his credit he couldn't go to Iraq so he would tell some people it was his health. I'm not out to bash America and I am an American, but not a proud one. If our politicians don't get off their a$$ and stop playing games, this country is only going to get worse and Americans will be the minority in this country, which is where we are heading.

Thanks for your support everyone.

I know what you mean Deep. This is the "land of the free", as long as you are not a legal citizen. LOL

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Originally posted by Dinky Dog:
Yeah CK, it was pretty messed up. I felt sorry for him because he went in to a depression about it. He was ashamed to say that it was because of his credit he couldn't go to Iraq so he would tell some people it was his health. I'm not out to bash America and I am an American, but not a proud one. If our politicians don't get off their a$$ and stop playing games, this country is only going to get worse and Americans will be the minority in this country, which is where we are heading.

Thanks for your support everyone.

Bless his heart. I just don't understand why in the world your credit rating has ANYTHING to do with serving your country. I mean what did they think, he was going to defect in order to get out of paying a debt? What a crock!! I wonder how many good intentioned people wanting to serve went through what your husband did?? Makes me sick.

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Originally posted by Dinky Dog:
Yeah CK, it was pretty messed up. I felt sorry for him because he went in to a depression about it. He was ashamed to say that it was because of his credit he couldn't go to Iraq so he would tell some people it was his health. I'm not out to bash America and I am an American, but not a proud one. If our politicians don't get off their a$$ and stop playing games, this country is only going to get worse and Americans will be the minority in this country, which is where we are heading.

Thanks for your support everyone.

Bless his heart. I just don't understand why in the world your credit rating has ANYTHING to do with serving your country. I mean what did they think, he was going to defect in order to get out of paying a debt? What a crock!! I wonder how many good intentioned people wanting to serve went through what your husband did?? Makes me sick.

I hear yah CK. You can imagine how upset we were when he received this information in the mail. Then it give you a phone # to call and nobody gets back to you. My husband served in the service when he was younger, he was a police officer for 15 years and operated a police canine school and he has a squeaky clean background, but because of medical bills we couldn't pay, he is refused. What a slap in the face for him. This country is going to hell I'm afraid.

I'm not sure there is a really good answer. I live in deep South Texas. I'm sure I interact with illegals everyday although I have no employees. There are two types of illegals, those who come here looking for a better life and those who come for such purposes as running drugs and guns and smuggling other illegals. I do know that the people who come here are usually the poor who just aren't getting enough to support their families in Mexico. They truly do the jobs no one else really wants. What native born would work on a roofing crew in 100+ degree heat in Texas or Florida? And the US constitution makes it possible for them to get welfare as the mothers of native born children without husbands (they come across the border 9 1/2 months pregnant and deliver in the USA to have children who are citizens). Most illegals don't draw welfare and only use the medical system when there is an emergency. We do educate their children, but I was poor once and couldn't afford private school for my child. And again, most state constitutions make public education a mandate, even if the parents aren't citizens. The best thing that would happen would be for Mexico to improve labor standards and pay scales. As I've grown to know these people, my heart breaks every time I hear of people killed in car crashes caused by Coyotes running from the law, or drowning in the Rio Grande, or dying in the desert.

As I said, there are no good answers. The criminals will keep coming anyway and the poor people struggle to support their families in extreme squalor in Mexico and live in Third World conditions here (just visit the West side of San Antonio). I would like to see some sort of registration program for those who are here and already paying taxes, and a chance for those here in the underground to be able to return once they go home. Still, I'm not smart enough to figure it out. I do know that I won't judge them, because, if it hadn't been for immigration, I wouldn't be an American.