As a buyer who purchased a pup and it has went so majorly wrong by ending up with a bad breeder.....where does one go? I've been months trying to resolve it with no luck.....full info can be read here: www.dollydelightsdesigns.com/lisabartanusz.htm
Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated!
Posts: 13 | Location (City, State): Hammonton, New Jersey | Registered: Fri March 09 2007
Hello I just read what you have, from what I can see you are right, this women thinks she is untouchable. But from what you show on that website you have a strong case against her. I would fight it to the end. By the way that is one adorable pup.
Posts: 1712 | Location (City, State): My House, Florida | Registered: Fri June 09 2006
Why thank you hun. Shes a cutie now that shes not sick. I plan on taking this as far as I can....Its not about the money ... its about the principal. People need to take responsilible for their actions. And if those who have been wronged alwasy look the other way ... Scum like this gets away! =)
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Originally posted by myakkacity: Hello I just read what you have, from what I can see you are right, this women thinks she is untouchable. But from what you show on that website you have a strong case against her. I would fight it to the end. By the way that is one adorable pup.
Posts: 13 | Location (City, State): Hammonton, New Jersey | Registered: Fri March 09 2007
I AM SHOCKED TO SAY THE LEAST. I couldn't disagree more and can not understand how this happened.
I to found Lisa on Puppyfind.com. After dealing with about 25-frauds, I found her. I purchased 2-teacup chihuahuas over the course of 2-years, and had nothing but possitive experince with Lisa and her husband.
Both dogs arrived on a plan, were from great stock, heary and no medical issues.
Chloe and Zoey are 3 and 2yrs old now, and still no issues. Sorry to hear your experince was not great.
Not all dogs with Coccidia have diarhea. I got a dog last year who had it but he was on medication before I got him but he never had the runs.
How soon after did you find out yours had it? And BTW there is no such thing as a "teacup" chihuahua. That is just a way for the breeder to make the public think they are getting something special. Truth is you can have a small pup grow into a normal sized chihuahua.
I read more of your site, damn you are good! Just liek me I always have to find out who the person really is and get proof. We would make some good detectives!! LOL
Yeah, this is obviously a crappy quality breeder, but then again this person is not the best example of a puppy BUYER either.
I'm sorry, Chrestina ... while ignorance and crude language (on your website) may not be against the law they don't really help your cause either.
I am not saying your little girl is quality bred (because from her parents/pedigree anyone who knows about the breed could tell you she is NOT) or that she was not sick, or that these things did not happen. Only you and the crappy backyard breeder you got her from know exactly what transpired. I am simply saying you do need to take at least SOME of the responsibility for not doing a better job at choosing a quality breeder and a well bred Chihuahua. (I won't comment on the back and forth, alleged e-mails, posts, craziness, etc. between you two as that is he said/she said.)
WHY didn't you DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you shelled out $850 on a puppy? Anybody who had done so would be able to tell this was not a good breeder.
First, there is no such thing as a Teacup Chihuahua. But even if for argument's sake that's just a term thrown around by the ignorant (which would still make this not a quality breeder) and not just a gimmick to charge more money for poor quality puppies, there are plenty of other "red flags" about this breeder that should have also tipped you off as well.
GOOD breeders gladly share pedigree information and pictures of parents with prospective buyers. That you did not demand more information about your puppy is on YOU. (E.g., you seem "shocked" to learn the sire to your puppy is a merle ... WHY didn't you already know what the parents looked like?)
GOOD breeders provide WRITTEN health/genetic guarantees. That you did not demand this from the breeder you chose is again on YOU.
WHY ON EARTH would you give an additional $600 to this breeder when you went to pick up the puppy if as you say you had bad feelings about her and thought you were not going to get your paperwork?
Also, your statement merles are not purebred and that this is why she registers with CKC is utter nonsense. A merle Chi Champion related to my foundation merle Chi went to WESTMINSTER this year! The point is there are bad breeders of both merle AND non merle Chihuahuas and one has nothing to do with the other. There are also both good AND bad AKC breeders. However, CKC is NOT a registry used by serious breeders and that has nothing whatsoever to do with merle.
About Coccidiosis, it is a condition caused by an overgrowth of Coccidia, protozoans which CAN be carried (and spread) by birds, mice, flies, crickets, etc., so technically any dog that spends any amount of time outside (esp. in the country) CAN be exposed mechanically and it doesn't necessarily mean they are kept in unsanitary conditions. (This is one reason why some breeders treat ADULTS prophylactically.) While Coccidia generally cause no problems in adult dogs an overgrowth can cause problems esp. in puppies who may simply have gotten it from their mother who had no symptoms (and she could have gotten it by simply licking bird poop - gross, I know, but yes dogs do gross things, even adorable Chihuahuas!). Stress can also bring on Coccidiosis - such as the stress of going to a new home. That your puppy had this condition two days after you purchased her does not PROVE she had symptoms of it at the time you bought her or that she was brought up in "terrible" conditions - although that sadly would not surprise me, I'm just saying it doesn't prove what you are claiming on your website about how she was raised. Neither does the fact she had an ear infection 1-1/2 weeks AFTER you got her. The poor quality of her breeder tho is fairly obvious. (Wouldn't the fact that in her ad she offers only a THREE MONTH genetic guarantee tip you off?)
And, about you saying your girl is a merle, have you had her DNA tested for the presence of the merle gene? Because IN THE PICTURES anyway she looks like she MAY have brindle markings. The only way to know is the DNA test. She certainly isn't a merle just because her father was. Again, since you seem to be so big on saying you have "proof" about all the bad things this breeder did I'm wondering if you have any proof to back up your claim your girl is actually a hidden merle. You see, generally speaking, brindle markings become MORE pronounced as a pup matures (esp in the tan points like your girl has) and merle markings become LESS pronounced on a hidden merle. (You claim that her merle appeared as she got older.) Of course any breeder that is breeding merle should be responsible enough to discuss all of these things with potential puppy buyers of merle sired/damed litters (esp. when offered intact!) which apparently this breeder did not do when you bought your girl - yet another "red flag" and evidence of an irresponsible, greedy or just plain ignorant (reads "bad") breeder.
You also claim your dog was offered as AKC. Where? In the ad for her it lists several "registries", AKC being just one listed. Did the breeder in writing or orally specifically tell you THIS puppy was AKC? Again, just asking for the "proof" you seem so eager to give.
Bottom line, had you simply taken SOME responsibility yourself to research the breed and what constitutes a good breeder - and had you chosen your puppy's breeder with even a modicum of care - you would not have run into these problems. Also when you went to the breeder's home and were told you were not getting either the papers OR the information about the parents in the meantime until the pup's papers were received, or the promised guarantee, you should have walked - no, RUN - away and later gone after her for your deposit based on her failure to produce these things at the time of sale. (Tho if your puppy really was that sick it sounds like maybe it was a good thing for her that she left there when she did.)
I don't mean to sound harsh, and I'm certainly not defending this or any other BYB - there are FAR too many poor quality Chi breeders out there (sometimes I have to just get OFF the computer as what I see on there in terms of some who claim to be good, caring "breeders" while the quality of their dogs/breeding practices are just appalling, it truly makes me sick and terribly angry!); and none of this takes away from the fact that people who rip other people off NEED TO PAY THE PRICE and yes people need to know about rip-off artists, but buyers also need to understand that they must take at least SOME responsibility for their own decision making processes and not just complain after the fact 'cuz they were "taken" or aren't happy with their choice -- after all, don't we all know that bad breeders, liars and con artists exist and understand that people on the web can pretend to be anyone and anything? Ignorance is these people's greatest ally ... so let's not be ignorant! To those who are even a little bit informed this breeder offers plenty of "red flags" and reasons to RUN in the other direction!
BUYERS, ARM YOURSELVES WITH ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN ABOUT THE BREED YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. YOUR KNOWLEDGE WILL HELP YOU SPOT A GOOD VS. BAD BREEDER AND CHOOSE A WELL-BRED PUPPY/DOG!
I'm glad your girl is doing well now. I hope for your/her sake she doesn't develop terrible knees or other severe health problems. I'm afraid for you and her that your ordeal may not be over ...
Yes, I HATE irresponsible, uncaring, ignorant, greedy breeders too!
P.S. I would start with the AG's office and Better Business Bureau for her state of residence. You could take her to small claims court as well.
______________________ "FOR LOVE OF THE BREED!"
Posts: 3494 | Location (City, State): SoCA--soon, Louisiana! | Registered: Sun January 11 2004
Originally posted by Ratlady: Yeah, this is obviously a crappy quality breeder, but then again this person is not the best example of a puppy BUYER either.
I'm sorry, Chrestina ... while ignorance and crude language (on your website) may not be against the law they don't really help your cause either.
I am not saying your little girl is quality bred (because from her parents/pedigree anyone who knows about the breed could tell you she is NOT) or that she was not sick, or that these things did not happen. Only you and the crappy backyard breeder you got her from know exactly what transpired. I am simply saying you do need to take at least SOME of the responsibility for not doing a better job at choosing a quality breeder and a well bred Chihuahua. (I won't comment on the back and forth, alleged e-mails, posts, craziness, etc. between you two as that is he said/she said.)
WHY didn't you DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you shelled out $850 on a puppy? Anybody who had done so would be able to tell this was not a good breeder.
First, there is no such thing as a Teacup Chihuahua. But even if for argument's sake that's just a term thrown around by the ignorant (which would still make this not a quality breeder) and not just a gimmick to charge more money for poor quality puppies, there are plenty of other "red flags" about this breeder that should have also tipped you off as well.
GOOD breeders gladly share pedigree information and pictures of parents with prospective buyers. That you did not demand more information about your puppy is on YOU. (E.g., you seem "shocked" to learn the sire to your puppy is a merle ... WHY didn't you already know what the parents looked like?)
GOOD breeders provide WRITTEN health/genetic guarantees. That you did not demand this from the breeder you chose is again on YOU.
WHY ON EARTH would you give an additional $600 to this breeder when you went to pick up the puppy if as you say you had bad feelings about her and thought you were not going to get your paperwork?
Also, your statement merles are not purebred and that this is why she registers with CKC is utter nonsense. A merle Chi Champion related to my foundation merle Chi went to WESTMINSTER this year! The point is there are bad breeders of both merle AND non merle Chihuahuas and one has nothing to do with the other. There are also both good AND bad AKC breeders. However, CKC is NOT a registry used by serious breeders and that has nothing whatsoever to do with merle.
About Coccidiosis, it is a condition caused by an overgrowth of Coccidia, protozoans which CAN be carried (and spread) by birds, mice, flies, crickets, etc., so technically any dog that spends any amount of time outside (esp. in the country) CAN be exposed mechanically and it doesn't necessarily mean they are kept in unsanitary conditions. (This is one reason why some breeders treat ADULTS prophylactically.) While Coccidia generally cause no problems in adult dogs an overgrowth can cause problems esp. in puppies who may simply have gotten it from their mother who had no symptoms (and she could have gotten it by simply licking bird poop - gross, I know, but yes dogs do gross things, even adorable Chihuahuas!). Stress can also bring on Coccidiosis - such as the stress of going to a new home. That your puppy had this condition two days after you purchased her does not PROVE she had symptoms of it at the time you bought her or that she was brought up in "terrible" conditions - although that sadly would not surprise me, I'm just saying it doesn't prove what you are claiming on your website about how she was raised. Neither does the fact she had an ear infection 1-1/2 weeks AFTER you got her. The poor quality of her breeder tho is fairly obvious. (Wouldn't the fact that in her ad she offers only a THREE MONTH genetic guarantee tip you off?)
And, about you saying your girl is a merle, have you had her DNA tested for the presence of the merle gene? Because IN THE PICTURES anyway she looks like she MAY have brindle markings. The only way to know is the DNA test. She certainly isn't a merle just because her father was. Again, since you seem to be so big on saying you have "proof" about all the bad things this breeder did I'm wondering if you have any proof to back up your claim your girl is actually a hidden merle. You see, generally speaking, brindle markings become MORE pronounced as a pup matures (esp in the tan points like your girl has) and merle markings become LESS pronounced on a hidden merle. (You claim that her merle appeared as she got older.) Of course any breeder that is breeding merle should be responsible enough to discuss all of these things with potential puppy buyers of merle sired/damed litters (esp. when offered intact!) which apparently this breeder did not do when you bought your girl - yet another "red flag" and evidence of an irresponsible, greedy or just plain ignorant (reads "bad") breeder.
You also claim your dog was offered as AKC. Where? In the ad for her it lists several "registries", AKC being just one listed. Did the breeder in writing or orally specifically tell you THIS puppy was AKC? Again, just asking for the "proof" you seem so eager to give.
Bottom line, had you simply taken SOME responsibility yourself to research the breed and what constitutes a good breeder - and had you chosen your puppy's breeder with even a modicum of care - you would not have run into these problems. Also when you went to the breeder's home and were told you were not getting either the papers OR the information about the parents in the meantime until the pup's papers were received, or the promised guarantee, you should have walked - no, RUN - away and later gone after her for your deposit based on her failure to produce these things at the time of sale. (Tho if your puppy really was that sick it sounds like maybe it was a good thing for her that she left there when she did.)
I don't mean to sound harsh, and I'm certainly not defending this or any other BYB - there are FAR too many poor quality Chi breeders out there (sometimes I have to just get OFF the computer as what I see on there in terms of some who claim to be good, caring "breeders" while the quality of their dogs/breeding practices are just appalling, it truly makes me sick and terribly angry!); and none of this takes away from the fact that people who rip other people off NEED TO PAY THE PRICE and yes people need to know about rip-off artists, but buyers also need to understand that they must take at least SOME responsibility for their own decision making processes and not just complain after the fact 'cuz they were "taken" or aren't happy with their choice -- after all, don't we all know that bad breeders, liars and con artists exist and understand that people on the web can pretend to be anyone and anything? Ignorance is these people's greatest ally ... so let's not be ignorant! To those who are even a little bit informed this breeder offers plenty of "red flags" and reasons to RUN in the other direction!
BUYERS, ARM YOURSELVES WITH ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN ABOUT THE BREED YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. YOUR KNOWLEDGE WILL HELP YOU SPOT A GOOD VS. BAD BREEDER AND CHOOSE A WELL-BRED PUPPY/DOG!
I'm glad your girl is doing well now. I hope for your/her sake she doesn't develop terrible knees or other severe health problems. I'm afraid for you and her that your ordeal may not be over ...
Yes, I HATE irresponsible, uncaring, ignorant, greedy breeders too!
P.S. I would start with the AG's office and Better Business Bureau for her state of residence. You could take her to small claims court as well.
Originally posted by Ratlady: Yeah, this is obviously a crappy quality breeder, but then again this person is not the best example of a puppy BUYER either.
I'm sorry, Chrestina ... while ignorance and crude language (on your website) may not be against the law they don't really help your cause either.
I am not saying your little girl is quality bred (because from her parents/pedigree anyone who knows about the breed could tell you she is NOT) or that she was not sick, or that these things did not happen. Only you and the crappy backyard breeder you got her from know exactly what transpired. I am simply saying you do need to take at least SOME of the responsibility for not doing a better job at choosing a quality breeder and a well bred Chihuahua. (I won't comment on the back and forth, alleged e-mails, posts, craziness, etc. between you two as that is he said/she said.)
WHY didn't you DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you shelled out $850 on a puppy? Anybody who had done so would be able to tell this was not a good breeder.
First, there is no such thing as a Teacup Chihuahua. But even if for argument's sake that's just a term thrown around by the ignorant (which would still make this not a quality breeder) and not just a gimmick to charge more money for poor quality puppies, there are plenty of other "red flags" about this breeder that should have also tipped you off as well.
GOOD breeders gladly share pedigree information and pictures of parents with prospective buyers. That you did not demand more information about your puppy is on YOU. (E.g., you seem "shocked" to learn the sire to your puppy is a merle ... WHY didn't you already know what the parents looked like?)
GOOD breeders provide WRITTEN health/genetic guarantees. That you did not demand this from the breeder you chose is again on YOU.
WHY ON EARTH would you give an additional $600 to this breeder when you went to pick up the puppy if as you say you had bad feelings about her and thought you were not going to get your paperwork?
Also, your statement merles are not purebred and that this is why she registers with CKC is utter nonsense. A merle Chi Champion related to my foundation merle Chi went to WESTMINSTER this year! The point is there are bad breeders of both merle AND non merle Chihuahuas and one has nothing to do with the other. There are also both good AND bad AKC breeders. However, CKC is NOT a registry used by serious breeders and that has nothing whatsoever to do with merle.
About Coccidiosis, it is a condition caused by an overgrowth of Coccidia, protozoans which CAN be carried (and spread) by birds, mice, flies, crickets, etc., so technically any dog that spends any amount of time outside (esp. in the country) CAN be exposed mechanically and it doesn't necessarily mean they are kept in unsanitary conditions. (This is one reason why some breeders treat ADULTS prophylactically.) While Coccidia generally cause no problems in adult dogs an overgrowth can cause problems esp. in puppies who may simply have gotten it from their mother who had no symptoms (and she could have gotten it by simply licking bird poop - gross, I know, but yes dogs do gross things, even adorable Chihuahuas!). Stress can also bring on Coccidiosis - such as the stress of going to a new home. That your puppy had this condition two days after you purchased her does not PROVE she had symptoms of it at the time you bought her or that she was brought up in "terrible" conditions - although that sadly would not surprise me, I'm just saying it doesn't prove what you are claiming on your website about how she was raised. Neither does the fact she had an ear infection 1-1/2 weeks AFTER you got her. The poor quality of her breeder tho is fairly obvious. (Wouldn't the fact that in her ad she offers only a THREE MONTH genetic guarantee tip you off?)
And, about you saying your girl is a merle, have you had her DNA tested for the presence of the merle gene? Because IN THE PICTURES anyway she looks like she MAY have brindle markings. The only way to know is the DNA test. She certainly isn't a merle just because her father was. Again, since you seem to be so big on saying you have "proof" about all the bad things this breeder did I'm wondering if you have any proof to back up your claim your girl is actually a hidden merle. You see, generally speaking, brindle markings become MORE pronounced as a pup matures (esp in the tan points like your girl has) and merle markings become LESS pronounced on a hidden merle. (You claim that her merle appeared as she got older.) Of course any breeder that is breeding merle should be responsible enough to discuss all of these things with potential puppy buyers of merle sired/damed litters (esp. when offered intact!) which apparently this breeder did not do when you bought your girl - yet another "red flag" and evidence of an irresponsible, greedy or just plain ignorant (reads "bad") breeder.
You also claim your dog was offered as AKC. Where? In the ad for her it lists several "registries", AKC being just one listed. Did the breeder in writing or orally specifically tell you THIS puppy was AKC? Again, just asking for the "proof" you seem so eager to give.
Bottom line, had you simply taken SOME responsibility yourself to research the breed and what constitutes a good breeder - and had you chosen your puppy's breeder with even a modicum of care - you would not have run into these problems. Also when you went to the breeder's home and were told you were not getting either the papers OR the information about the parents in the meantime until the pup's papers were received, or the promised guarantee, you should have walked - no, RUN - away and later gone after her for your deposit based on her failure to produce these things at the time of sale. (Tho if your puppy really was that sick it sounds like maybe it was a good thing for her that she left there when she did.)
I don't mean to sound harsh, and I'm certainly not defending this or any other BYB - there are FAR too many poor quality Chi breeders out there (sometimes I have to just get OFF the computer as what I see on there in terms of some who claim to be good, caring "breeders" while the quality of their dogs/breeding practices are just appalling, it truly makes me sick and terribly angry!); and none of this takes away from the fact that people who rip other people off NEED TO PAY THE PRICE and yes people need to know about rip-off artists, but buyers also need to understand that they must take at least SOME responsibility for their own decision making processes and not just complain after the fact 'cuz they were "taken" or aren't happy with their choice -- after all, don't we all know that bad breeders, liars and con artists exist and understand that people on the web can pretend to be anyone and anything? Ignorance is these people's greatest ally ... so let's not be ignorant! To those who are even a little bit informed this breeder offers plenty of "red flags" and reasons to RUN in the other direction!
BUYERS, ARM YOURSELVES WITH ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN ABOUT THE BREED YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. YOUR KNOWLEDGE WILL HELP YOU SPOT A GOOD VS. BAD BREEDER AND CHOOSE A WELL-BRED PUPPY/DOG!
I'm glad your girl is doing well now. I hope for your/her sake she doesn't develop terrible knees or other severe health problems. I'm afraid for you and her that your ordeal may not be over ...
Yes, I HATE irresponsible, uncaring, ignorant, greedy breeders too!
P.S. I would start with the AG's office and Better Business Bureau for her state of residence. You could take her to small claims court as well.
______________________ "FOR LOVE OF THE BREED!"
Pot Meet Kettle.
You may not like Chauntelle for some reason but you have to agree that was a great post!!
The thing is we all start somewhere. I didn't know anything about BYB's until I started doing rescue. I ended up buying 2 BYB dogs before rescue....I had no idea and didn't know how to go about looking for a reputable breeder as they don't advertise...they don't need to.
The first dog I bought was a Shih Tzu...he is 10 years old now and God love him but he's dumb as rock. The second was a Rottweiler who died at 6.5 years old.
I now know better but I didn't then. I wouldn't trade either of those dogs but could have had better bred dogs but didn't know how.
Instead of belittling someone it's better to try to educate them.
Posts: 156 | Location (City, State): Atlanta, GA | Registered: Tue April 11 2006
Originally posted by Ratlady: Yeah, this is obviously a crappy quality breeder, but then again this person is not the best example of a puppy BUYER either.
I'm sorry, Chrestina ... while ignorance and crude language (on your website) may not be against the law they don't really help your cause either.
I am not saying your little girl is quality bred (because from her parents/pedigree anyone who knows about the breed could tell you she is NOT) or that she was not sick, or that these things did not happen. Only you and the crappy backyard breeder you got her from know exactly what transpired. I am simply saying you do need to take at least SOME of the responsibility for not doing a better job at choosing a quality breeder and a well bred Chihuahua. (I won't comment on the back and forth, alleged e-mails, posts, craziness, etc. between you two as that is he said/she said.)
WHY didn't you DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you shelled out $850 on a puppy? Anybody who had done so would be able to tell this was not a good breeder.
First, there is no such thing as a Teacup Chihuahua. But even if for argument's sake that's just a term thrown around by the ignorant (which would still make this not a quality breeder) and not just a gimmick to charge more money for poor quality puppies, there are plenty of other "red flags" about this breeder that should have also tipped you off as well.
GOOD breeders gladly share pedigree information and pictures of parents with prospective buyers. That you did not demand more information about your puppy is on YOU. (E.g., you seem "shocked" to learn the sire to your puppy is a merle ... WHY didn't you already know what the parents looked like?)
GOOD breeders provide WRITTEN health/genetic guarantees. That you did not demand this from the breeder you chose is again on YOU.
WHY ON EARTH would you give an additional $600 to this breeder when you went to pick up the puppy if as you say you had bad feelings about her and thought you were not going to get your paperwork?
Also, your statement merles are not purebred and that this is why she registers with CKC is utter nonsense. A merle Chi Champion related to my foundation merle Chi went to WESTMINSTER this year! The point is there are bad breeders of both merle AND non merle Chihuahuas and one has nothing to do with the other. There are also both good AND bad AKC breeders. However, CKC is NOT a registry used by serious breeders and that has nothing whatsoever to do with merle.
About Coccidiosis, it is a condition caused by an overgrowth of Coccidia, protozoans which CAN be carried (and spread) by birds, mice, flies, crickets, etc., so technically any dog that spends any amount of time outside (esp. in the country) CAN be exposed mechanically and it doesn't necessarily mean they are kept in unsanitary conditions. (This is one reason why some breeders treat ADULTS prophylactically.) While Coccidia generally cause no problems in adult dogs an overgrowth can cause problems esp. in puppies who may simply have gotten it from their mother who had no symptoms (and she could have gotten it by simply licking bird poop - gross, I know, but yes dogs do gross things, even adorable Chihuahuas!). Stress can also bring on Coccidiosis - such as the stress of going to a new home. That your puppy had this condition two days after you purchased her does not PROVE she had symptoms of it at the time you bought her or that she was brought up in "terrible" conditions - although that sadly would not surprise me, I'm just saying it doesn't prove what you are claiming on your website about how she was raised. Neither does the fact she had an ear infection 1-1/2 weeks AFTER you got her. The poor quality of her breeder tho is fairly obvious. (Wouldn't the fact that in her ad she offers only a THREE MONTH genetic guarantee tip you off?)
And, about you saying your girl is a merle, have you had her DNA tested for the presence of the merle gene? Because IN THE PICTURES anyway she looks like she MAY have brindle markings. The only way to know is the DNA test. She certainly isn't a merle just because her father was. Again, since you seem to be so big on saying you have "proof" about all the bad things this breeder did I'm wondering if you have any proof to back up your claim your girl is actually a hidden merle. You see, generally speaking, brindle markings become MORE pronounced as a pup matures (esp in the tan points like your girl has) and merle markings become LESS pronounced on a hidden merle. (You claim that her merle appeared as she got older.) Of course any breeder that is breeding merle should be responsible enough to discuss all of these things with potential puppy buyers of merle sired/damed litters (esp. when offered intact!) which apparently this breeder did not do when you bought your girl - yet another "red flag" and evidence of an irresponsible, greedy or just plain ignorant (reads "bad") breeder.
You also claim your dog was offered as AKC. Where? In the ad for her it lists several "registries", AKC being just one listed. Did the breeder in writing or orally specifically tell you THIS puppy was AKC? Again, just asking for the "proof" you seem so eager to give.
Bottom line, had you simply taken SOME responsibility yourself to research the breed and what constitutes a good breeder - and had you chosen your puppy's breeder with even a modicum of care - you would not have run into these problems. Also when you went to the breeder's home and were told you were not getting either the papers OR the information about the parents in the meantime until the pup's papers were received, or the promised guarantee, you should have walked - no, RUN - away and later gone after her for your deposit based on her failure to produce these things at the time of sale. (Tho if your puppy really was that sick it sounds like maybe it was a good thing for her that she left there when she did.)
I don't mean to sound harsh, and I'm certainly not defending this or any other BYB - there are FAR too many poor quality Chi breeders out there (sometimes I have to just get OFF the computer as what I see on there in terms of some who claim to be good, caring "breeders" while the quality of their dogs/breeding practices are just appalling, it truly makes me sick and terribly angry!); and none of this takes away from the fact that people who rip other people off NEED TO PAY THE PRICE and yes people need to know about rip-off artists, but buyers also need to understand that they must take at least SOME responsibility for their own decision making processes and not just complain after the fact 'cuz they were "taken" or aren't happy with their choice -- after all, don't we all know that bad breeders, liars and con artists exist and understand that people on the web can pretend to be anyone and anything? Ignorance is these people's greatest ally ... so let's not be ignorant! To those who are even a little bit informed this breeder offers plenty of "red flags" and reasons to RUN in the other direction!
BUYERS, ARM YOURSELVES WITH ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN ABOUT THE BREED YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. YOUR KNOWLEDGE WILL HELP YOU SPOT A GOOD VS. BAD BREEDER AND CHOOSE A WELL-BRED PUPPY/DOG!
I'm glad your girl is doing well now. I hope for your/her sake she doesn't develop terrible knees or other severe health problems. I'm afraid for you and her that your ordeal may not be over ...
Yes, I HATE irresponsible, uncaring, ignorant, greedy breeders too!
P.S. I would start with the AG's office and Better Business Bureau for her state of residence. You could take her to small claims court as well.
______________________ "FOR LOVE OF THE BREED!"
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Originally posted by Ratlady: Yeah, this is obviously a crappy quality breeder, but then again this person is not the best example of a puppy BUYER either.
I'm sorry, Chrestina ... while ignorance and crude language (on your website) may not be against the law they don't really help your cause either.
I am not saying your little girl is quality bred (because from her parents/pedigree anyone who knows about the breed could tell you she is NOT) or that she was not sick, or that these things did not happen. Only you and the crappy backyard breeder you got her from know exactly what transpired. I am simply saying you do need to take at least SOME of the responsibility for not doing a better job at choosing a quality breeder and a well bred Chihuahua. (I won't comment on the back and forth, alleged e-mails, posts, craziness, etc. between you two as that is he said/she said.)
WHY didn't you DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you shelled out $850 on a puppy? Anybody who had done so would be able to tell this was not a good breeder.
First, there is no such thing as a Teacup Chihuahua. But even if for argument's sake that's just a term thrown around by the ignorant (which would still make this not a quality breeder) and not just a gimmick to charge more money for poor quality puppies, there are plenty of other "red flags" about this breeder that should have also tipped you off as well.
GOOD breeders gladly share pedigree information and pictures of parents with prospective buyers. That you did not demand more information about your puppy is on YOU. (E.g., you seem "shocked" to learn the sire to your puppy is a merle ... WHY didn't you already know what the parents looked like?)
GOOD breeders provide WRITTEN health/genetic guarantees. That you did not demand this from the breeder you chose is again on YOU.
WHY ON EARTH would you give an additional $600 to this breeder when you went to pick up the puppy if as you say you had bad feelings about her and thought you were not going to get your paperwork?
Also, your statement merles are not purebred and that this is why she registers with CKC is utter nonsense. A merle Chi Champion related to my foundation merle Chi went to WESTMINSTER this year! The point is there are bad breeders of both merle AND non merle Chihuahuas and one has nothing to do with the other. There are also both good AND bad AKC breeders. However, CKC is NOT a registry used by serious breeders and that has nothing whatsoever to do with merle.
About Coccidiosis, it is a condition caused by an overgrowth of Coccidia, protozoans which CAN be carried (and spread) by birds, mice, flies, crickets, etc., so technically any dog that spends any amount of time outside (esp. in the country) CAN be exposed mechanically and it doesn't necessarily mean they are kept in unsanitary conditions. (This is one reason why some breeders treat ADULTS prophylactically.) While Coccidia generally cause no problems in adult dogs an overgrowth can cause problems esp. in puppies who may simply have gotten it from their mother who had no symptoms (and she could have gotten it by simply licking bird poop - gross, I know, but yes dogs do gross things, even adorable Chihuahuas!). Stress can also bring on Coccidiosis - such as the stress of going to a new home. That your puppy had this condition two days after you purchased her does not PROVE she had symptoms of it at the time you bought her or that she was brought up in "terrible" conditions - although that sadly would not surprise me, I'm just saying it doesn't prove what you are claiming on your website about how she was raised. Neither does the fact she had an ear infection 1-1/2 weeks AFTER you got her. The poor quality of her breeder tho is fairly obvious. (Wouldn't the fact that in her ad she offers only a THREE MONTH genetic guarantee tip you off?)
And, about you saying your girl is a merle, have you had her DNA tested for the presence of the merle gene? Because IN THE PICTURES anyway she looks like she MAY have brindle markings. The only way to know is the DNA test. She certainly isn't a merle just because her father was. Again, since you seem to be so big on saying you have "proof" about all the bad things this breeder did I'm wondering if you have any proof to back up your claim your girl is actually a hidden merle. You see, generally speaking, brindle markings become MORE pronounced as a pup matures (esp in the tan points like your girl has) and merle markings become LESS pronounced on a hidden merle. (You claim that her merle appeared as she got older.) Of course any breeder that is breeding merle should be responsible enough to discuss all of these things with potential puppy buyers of merle sired/damed litters (esp. when offered intact!) which apparently this breeder did not do when you bought your girl - yet another "red flag" and evidence of an irresponsible, greedy or just plain ignorant (reads "bad") breeder.
You also claim your dog was offered as AKC. Where? In the ad for her it lists several "registries", AKC being just one listed. Did the breeder in writing or orally specifically tell you THIS puppy was AKC? Again, just asking for the "proof" you seem so eager to give.
Bottom line, had you simply taken SOME responsibility yourself to research the breed and what constitutes a good breeder - and had you chosen your puppy's breeder with even a modicum of care - you would not have run into these problems. Also when you went to the breeder's home and were told you were not getting either the papers OR the information about the parents in the meantime until the pup's papers were received, or the promised guarantee, you should have walked - no, RUN - away and later gone after her for your deposit based on her failure to produce these things at the time of sale. (Tho if your puppy really was that sick it sounds like maybe it was a good thing for her that she left there when she did.)
I don't mean to sound harsh, and I'm certainly not defending this or any other BYB - there are FAR too many poor quality Chi breeders out there (sometimes I have to just get OFF the computer as what I see on there in terms of some who claim to be good, caring "breeders" while the quality of their dogs/breeding practices are just appalling, it truly makes me sick and terribly angry!); and none of this takes away from the fact that people who rip other people off NEED TO PAY THE PRICE and yes people need to know about rip-off artists, but buyers also need to understand that they must take at least SOME responsibility for their own decision making processes and not just complain after the fact 'cuz they were "taken" or aren't happy with their choice -- after all, don't we all know that bad breeders, liars and con artists exist and understand that people on the web can pretend to be anyone and anything? Ignorance is these people's greatest ally ... so let's not be ignorant! To those who are even a little bit informed this breeder offers plenty of "red flags" and reasons to RUN in the other direction!
BUYERS, ARM YOURSELVES WITH ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN ABOUT THE BREED YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. YOUR KNOWLEDGE WILL HELP YOU SPOT A GOOD VS. BAD BREEDER AND CHOOSE A WELL-BRED PUPPY/DOG!
I'm glad your girl is doing well now. I hope for your/her sake she doesn't develop terrible knees or other severe health problems. I'm afraid for you and her that your ordeal may not be over ...
Yes, I HATE irresponsible, uncaring, ignorant, greedy breeders too!
P.S. I would start with the AG's office and Better Business Bureau for her stat
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