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Originally posted by quest22:
where classed as not knowing any think it dont matter what we breed even if you produce showable dogs there something wrong/ bottom line is there trying to stop any breeder from breeding . next it will be only people like hunt in the usa that will be aloud to breed we need to all stick to gether and fight for our+ rights mab9e thell make it a crime to breed dogs or any thing for that matter there suppose to be puppy mills all over and whats a back yard breeder whats a kennel? my animals are in my home and are family when i eat they eat there all over weight like me there very happy and i am to have them as my family

You Would Know Faye. After All, You're Breeding Buddies With Vaccaro. Stop Pretending.

BTW, Two Key's To The Right From The M Key, Is A Key With A " . " On It. Try Using It So You Appear Less Of The Blithering Idiot You Are.

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Originally posted by ChristinaLV:
FIRST OFF, i am adecuated and ther eis no need for anyone to ne mean on this site. The FACT is I have had puppies I've purchased that have developed kennel cough days after i brought them home.

The issue for which I reposned was about Lisa with Fairtailpups breeding practices. The comment posted are not completely true... she sould not be making generazations about a breeder. Her tactics have put her int he postion she is in with the breeder. To blame the breeder for genetics is not fair. As BREEDER, YOU SHOULD KNOW, you can do everything right, and some times end up with a sickly pup or a pup that doesn't survive.

If you make these kinds of decisions, you are not educated when it comes to the breed.

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Originally posted by quest22:
where classed as not knowing any think it dont matter what we breed even if you produce showable dogs there something wrong/ bottom line is there trying to stop any breeder from breeding . next it will be only people like hunt in the usa that will be aloud to breed we need to all stick to gether and fight for our+ rights mab9e thell make it a crime to breed dogs or any thing for that matter there suppose to be puppy mills all over and whats a back yard breeder whats a kennel? my animals are in my home and are family when i eat they eat there all over weight like me there very happy and i am to have them as my family

It's nice that you feel that being overweight for a dog makes them healthy and happy... That, in itself, can be a form of animal abuse.

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Originally posted by ChristinaLV:




I honeslty feel your comments are slanderous. My girls ARE tiny; 3.4 and 4pnds full grown, they are considered "teacup" regardless if that is an actualy term or not. They are small, as are the puppy that other people have gotten from Lisa. Not because they were underfed.

Bottome line, IK have been breeding, and purchasing dogs over the past 8yrs and some pups are issue free, other do require treatment, upon receipt. Wheather the are from a champion blood line or not.

It's truly unfair to make this all Lisa's fault.
Christina

Considered teacup by whom?? Puppymills and BYB!!!
I dont know why but damn this pisses me off so much makes my stomach turn!! Probably because I hate liars!!

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Originally posted by quest22:
where classed as not knowing any think it dont matter what we breed even if you produce showable dogs there something wrong/ bottom line is there trying to stop any breeder from breeding . next it will be only people like hunt in the usa that will be aloud to breed we need to all stick to gether and fight for our+ rights mab9e thell make it a crime to breed dogs or any thing for that matter there suppose to be puppy mills all over and whats a back yard breeder whats a kennel? my animals are in my home and are family when i eat they eat there all over weight like me there very happy and i am to have them as my family

BYB doesn't mean they breed in the backyard it is someone who just breeds to breed, not doing any health tests or pedigree research.

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Originally posted by ChristinaLV:
FIRST OFF, i am adecuated and ther eis no need for anyone to ne mean on this site. The FACT is I have had puppies I've purchased that have developed kennel cough days after i brought them home.

The issue for which I reposned was about Lisa with Fairtailpups breeding practices. The comment posted are not completely true... she sould not be making generazations about a breeder. Her tactics have put her int he postion she is in with the breeder. To blame the breeder for genetics is not fair. As BREEDER, YOU SHOULD KNOW, you can do everything right, and some times end up with a sickly pup or a pup that doesn't survive.

Well, the incubation period on kennel cough is 7-10 days which means they picked it up at the breeders.

A hobby breeder, breeds to better the breed. They also show their dogs in conformation and perfomance. They aren't doing it to make a quick buck...they have much more money in their puppies than what they sell them for.

I just bought a show pup and I didn't pay anywhere near $2000. and he is from a very well known Boxer breeder.

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Originally posted by VonLahrheimGSP's:

Considered teacup by whom?? Puppymills and BYB!!!
I dont know why but damn this pisses me off so much makes my stomach turn!! Probably because I hate liars!!

I'm with you Julie....

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Originally posted by Truths Here:

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Originally posted by VonLahrheimGSP's:

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Originally posted by Truths Here:

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Originally posted by Ratlady:
Yeah, this is obviously a crappy quality breeder, but then again this person is not the best example of a puppy BUYER either.

I'm sorry, Chrestina ... while ignorance and crude language (on your website) may not be against the law they don't really help your cause either.

I am not saying your little girl is quality bred (because from her parents/pedigree anyone who knows about the breed could tell you she is NOT) or that she was not sick, or that these things did not happen. Only you and the crappy backyard breeder you got her from know exactly what transpired. I am simply saying you do need to take at least SOME of the responsibility for not doing a better job at choosing a quality breeder and a well bred Chihuahua. (I won't comment on the back and forth, alleged e-mails, posts, craziness, etc. between you two as that is he said/she said.)

WHY didn't you DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you shelled out $850 on a puppy? Anybody who had done so would be able to tell this was not a good breeder.

First, there is no such thing as a Teacup Chihuahua. But even if for argument's sake that's just a term thrown around by the ignorant (which would still make this not a quality breeder) and not just a gimmick to charge more money for poor quality puppies, there are plenty of other "red flags" about this breeder that should have also tipped you off as well.

GOOD breeders gladly share pedigree information and pictures of parents with prospective buyers. That you did not demand more information about your puppy is on YOU. (E.g., you seem "shocked" to learn the sire to your puppy is a merle ... WHY didn't you already know what the parents looked like?)

GOOD breeders provide WRITTEN health/genetic guarantees. That you did not demand this from the breeder you chose is again on YOU.

WHY ON EARTH would you give an additional $600 to this breeder when you went to pick up the puppy if as you say you had bad feelings about her and thought you were not going to get your paperwork?

Also, your statement merles are not purebred and that this is why she registers with CKC is utter nonsense. A merle Chi Champion related to my foundation merle Chi went to WESTMINSTER this year! The point is there are bad breeders of both merle AND non merle Chihuahuas and one has nothing to do with the other. There are also both good AND bad AKC breeders. However, CKC is NOT a registry used by serious breeders and that has nothing whatsoever to do with merle.

About Coccidiosis, it is a condition caused by an overgrowth of Coccidia, protozoans which CAN be carried (and spread) by birds, mice, flies, crickets, etc., so technically any dog that spends any amount of time outside (esp. in the country) CAN be exposed mechanically and it doesn't necessarily mean they are kept in unsanitary conditions. (This is one reason why some breeders treat ADULTS prophylactically.) While Coccidia generally cause no problems in adult dogs an overgrowth can cause problems esp. in puppies who may simply have gotten it from their mother who had no symptoms (and she could have gotten it by simply licking bird poop - gross, I know, but yes dogs do gross things, even adorable Chihuahuas!). Stress can also bring on Coccidiosis - such as the stress of going to a new home. That your puppy had this condition two days after you purchased her does not PROVE she had symptoms of it at the time you bought her or that she was brought up in "terrible" conditions - although that sadly would not surprise me, I'm just saying it doesn't prove what you are claiming on your website about how she was raised. Neither does the fact she had an ear infection 1-1/2 weeks AFTER you got her. The poor quality of her breeder tho is fairly obvious. (Wouldn't the fact that in her ad she offers only a THREE MONTH genetic guarantee tip you off?)

And, about you saying your girl is a merle, have you had her DNA tested for the presence of the merle gene? Because IN THE PICTURES anyway she looks like she MAY have brindle markings. The only way to know is the DNA test. She certainly isn't a merle just because her father was. Again, since you seem to be so big on saying you have "proof" about all the bad things this breeder did I'm wondering if you have any proof to back up your claim your girl is actually a hidden merle. You see, generally speaking, brindle markings become MORE pronounced as a pup matures (esp in the tan points like your girl has) and merle markings become LESS pronounced on a hidden merle. (You claim that her merle appeared as she got older.) Of course any breeder that is breeding merle should be responsible enough to discuss all of these things with potential puppy buyers of merle sired/damed litters (esp. when offered intact!) which apparently this breeder did not do when you bought your girl - yet another "red flag" and evidence of an irresponsible, greedy or just plain ignorant (reads "bad") breeder.

You also claim your dog was offered as AKC. Where? In the ad for her it lists several "registries", AKC being just one listed. Did the breeder in writing or orally specifically tell you THIS puppy was AKC? Again, just asking for the "proof" you seem so eager to give.

Bottom line, had you simply taken SOME responsibility yourself to research the breed and what constitutes a good breeder - and had you chosen your puppy's breeder with even a modicum of care - you would not have run into these problems. Also when you went to the breeder's home and were told you were not getting either the papers OR the information about the parents in the meantime until the pup's papers were received, or the promised guarantee, you should have walked - no, RUN - away and later gone after her for your deposit based on her failure to produce these things at the time of sale. (Tho if your puppy really was that sick it sounds like maybe it was a good thing for her that she left there when she did.)

I don't mean to sound harsh, and I'm certainly not defending this or any other BYB - there are FAR too many poor quality Chi breeders out there (sometimes I have to just get OFF the computer as what I see on there in terms of some who claim to be good, caring "breeders" while the quality of their dogs/breeding practices are just appalling, it truly makes me sick and terribly angry!); and none of this takes away from the fact that people who rip other people off NEED TO PAY THE PRICE and yes people need to know about rip-off artists, but buyers also need to understand that they must take at least SOME responsibility for their own decision making processes and not just complain after the fact 'cuz they were "taken" or aren't happy with their choice -- after all, don't we all know that bad breeders, liars and con artists exist and understand that people on the web can pretend to be anyone and anything? Ignorance is these people's greatest ally ... so let's not be ignorant! To those who are even a little bit informed this breeder offers plenty of "red flags" and reasons to RUN in the other direction!

BUYERS, ARM YOURSELVES WITH ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN ABOUT THE BREED YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. YOUR KNOWLEDGE WILL HELP YOU SPOT A GOOD VS. BAD BREEDER AND CHOOSE A WELL-BRED PUPPY/DOG!


I'm glad your girl is doing well now. I hope for your/her sake she doesn't develop terrible knees or other severe health problems. I'm afraid for you and her that your ordeal may not be over ...

Yes, I HATE irresponsible, uncaring, ignorant, greedy breeders too!

P.S. I would start with the AG's office and Better Business Bureau for her state of residence. You could take her to small claims court as well.



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"FOR LOVE OF THE BREED!"

Pot Meet Kettle.

You may not like Chauntelle for some reason but you have to agree that was a great post!!

If The Opinion Of A Back Yard Breeder, And The Buddy Of Back Yard and PuppyMiller's Opinion Meant Anything To Me, I Might Care.

You Keep Company With Such, Thus, You Are Just As Bad As They Are. Your Opinion Means Nothing To Me.

LOLOLOL, yeah, and if the opinion of a total ignoramous mattered to us we might care what Truths-NOT-Here thinks, eh Von? I mean, don't you just LOVE this? SO predictable!! THIS from someone who is SOOOOOOO "respectable" and worthy of our acknowledgement (NOT!) that they HIDE behind an anonymous identity and have NO CREDENTIALS, obviously KNOW NOTHING about which they speak, have NOTHING of any value whatsoever to add to the conversation, instead just hang around hurling insults and calling names like a five year old. Oh, yeah, we care what Truths-NOT-Here thinks alright - ummmmmm, NOT!!!


We really need a NO TROLLS WELCOME HERE sign!


Now, Von, don't you know it's against the board rules to use someone's first name here? Well, now, if I was a COWARD hiding behind a fake identity with NO credentials and NO knowledge and with NOTHING to add to the forum - like poor widdle Truths-NOT-Here (aka Tanya or one of her buddies, most likely) - I MIGHT be upset!

Yeah, we DEFINITELY need a "NO TROLLS WELCOME HERE" sign! Mod, can you work on that?


P.S. Thank you Von, it WAS a rather good post, wasn't it?

I am just sick of bad breeders and ignorant puppy buyers. If the public would simply take some time to learn about the breed they are interested in and would demand more from the breeders they get their pups from then the bad greedy breeders would have no market to pawn off their poor quality puppies on and would be forced to stop pumping them out. Which would be GREAT for the breed AND for those who want a QUALITY Chihuahua!

I had a visit today from someone who adopted one of my puppies a couple of months back and she had researched the breed for MONTHS before she chose a breeder and a puppy and she is absolutely DELIGHTED with her boy. She had had some reservations about the breed because so many are ill tempered and unsound and when she came here and met her boy, his littermates and parents, she said she KNEW she had made the right choice! She e-mails and calls regularly and simply gushes over her little boy and she tells everybody who comments on how handsome, well-behaved, friendly and accepting of all sorts of different people and situations her little man is that if they want a WELL BRED Chihuahua they need to come to ME! Well, I have to admit that that's a very good feeling!

Her boy is actually litter brother to my little hopeful Katie. Vanni and Topper really did produce some wonderful offspring ... sound, healthy, nicely conformed and absolutely the most fantastic temperaments! Again, a very good feeling.

I didn't know it was a rule to use first names. People can use mine I dont care. I even have it on my signature line.

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Originally posted by VonLahrheimGSP's:

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Originally posted by Truths Here:
You Keep Company With Such, Thus, You Are Just As Bad As They Are. Your Opinion Means Nothing To Me.

Think whatever you want! I dont keep company with her. we have had our differences in the past but I moved on. Unlike you.

LOL, well, yes, Von, it's called being a GROWN UP - not that Truths-NOT-Here would know ANYTHING about THAT ...

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Originally posted by VonLahrheimGSP's:
I didn't know it was a rule to use first names. People can use mine I dont care. I even have it on my signature line.

Yeah, a while back Mod made up a some new forum rules and it's grounds for being immediately banned ... but don't worry, I'm not gonna tell!

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Originally posted by VonLahrheimGSP's:
BTW if you are such an all knowing respectable breeder show us your dogs and who you really are!

Exactly ... poor Truths-NOT-Here, her and her kind are soooooooooooooo transparent!

Very rude! I am educated, and did not profess to be an expert in brreders. I simply stated that Crestina had challenged with Lisa from Fairy Tail Pups, that myself and other buyers never had..... PERIOD.

She doesn bare come responsibility, as her action on the website are deplorable. What incentive does the breeder have to want to work with her, when she is slandering her name all over the internet. There is an appropriate way to conduct yourself!

Julie,
I am not defending bad breeders whatsoever. I agree with yourself and others. My OPINION is simply about Lisa; Fairy Tail Pups. Again, I bought from her twice over 2-years and became friendly with others that purchased from her as they have litter mates, to my girls.

First off, if infact Lisa's home was so horrible, why would Cristina give her another $600 in cash. If the pup was in such bad shape, by no means would I have taken her.

Further, I never paid for my pups by money orders... it was requested, and I advised I felt better paying by check. Lisa had no problem with that, other than allowing time for the checks to clear.

It is unfair for Crestina to post the comments she has on her website. She has over reacted to emails and her comments about devil worship, etc.. are a huge reach. I'm defending this breeder because I know her, and would buy from her again! She has proven her credibility with me, and others.

You can't please everyone!

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Originally posted by Truths Here:

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Originally posted by quest22:
where classed as not knowing any think it dont matter what we breed even if you produce showable dogs there something wrong/ bottom line is there trying to stop any breeder from breeding . next it will be only people like hunt in the usa that will be aloud to breed we need to all stick to gether and fight for our+ rights mab9e thell make it a crime to breed dogs or any thing for that matter there suppose to be puppy mills all over and whats a back yard breeder whats a kennel? my animals are in my home and are family when i eat they eat there all over weight like me there very happy and i am to have them as my family

You Would Know Faye. After All, You're Breeding Buddies With Vaccaro. Stop Pretending.

BTW, Two Key's To The Right From The M Key, Is A Key With A " . " On It. Try Using It So You Appear Less Of The Blithering Idiot You Are.

Truths Here, you truly have issues!! One is an over inflated sense of self importance and secondly absolutely no evidence to support on what you base your remarks. Do you breed, do you show, do you do anything other than take "shots" at others??

Put your money where your mouth is and show us what YOU have to offer, picture form would be quite sufficient and by the way don't steal the pics, let's see some of your animals, whatever they may be dogs, cats, pot bellied pigs.

If spelling and punctuation are your main goals, then off you go now and take up your true vocation, get of this breeders site and go volunteer your amazing composition skills elsewhere.

I find you totally void of any credibility whatsoever and as someone else said in a post you have nothing to offer to this conversation.

Now go away!!

It is unfortunate that your puppy was ill, but the outcome was positive, which is good news.

I do believe you have taken this way too far! I do not know the breeder, nor do I have Chihuahua's. It doesn't take long for a puppy to go down like that and it is quite possible that the breeder did not see any signs of illness prior to you taking the pup home.

I had a 6 month old go down with coccidia and it happened without warning. I took her immediately to the vet and he said it can be picked up from a water puddle (birds again)..and yes, I had puddles on my property and she could have taken a drink.

My vet bill was much more than yours, so you were quite lucky, or your dog wasn't as sick as you say it was.

I feel blessed that my 6 month old pup pulled through and is happy and healthy..that is all I cared about at the time.

To trash the breeder/s to the extent you have done is not making you look much better than you say they are.

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Originally posted by Chrestina:
Why thank you hun. Shes a cutie now that shes not sick. I plan on taking this as far as I can....Its not about the money ... its about the principal. People need to take responsilible for their actions. And if those who have been wronged alwasy look the other way ... Scum like this gets away! =)

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Originally posted by myakkacity:
Hello I just read what you have, from what I can see you are right, this women thinks she is untouchable. But from what you show on that website you have a strong case against her. I would fight it to the end. By the way that is one adorable pup.

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Originally posted by Amberleigh:

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Originally posted by quest22:
where classed as not knowing any think it dont matter what we breed even if you produce showable dogs there something wrong/ bottom line is there trying to stop any breeder from breeding . next it will be only people like hunt in the usa that will be aloud to breed we need to all stick to gether and fight for our+ rights mab9e thell make it a crime to breed dogs or any thing for that matter there suppose to be puppy mills all over and whats a back yard breeder whats a kennel? my animals are in my home and are family when i eat they eat there all over weight like me there very happy and i am to have them as my family

It's nice that you feel that being overweight for a dog makes them healthy and happy... That, in itself, can be a form of animal abuse.

Is that the only thing that you managed to take out of what Guest 22 was saying?? Such tenacity!! Or stupidity!! Which ever one fits.