HAVING GIVEN THIS MERLE ISSUE A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT, I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN HOW KEEPING THE MERLE OUT OF THE SHOWRING IS GOING TO GOING TO PUT AN END TO THE MERLES - AND ISN'T THAT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT - ERADICATING THE MERLES? IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF THE MERLE IS SUCH A DETRIMENTAL GENE IN THE CHIHUAHUA BREED (AND ACCORDING TO OUR ON-SITE KNOW-IT-ALL, IT CERTAINLY IS) - THEN WHY NOT GO FOR THE GOLD AND SIMPLY HAVE THE MERLE BANNED PERIOD? MAKE IT UNREGISTERABLE WITH AKC, BAN IT FROM THE SHOWRING AND LEVEE A FINE AGAINST ANYONE WHO BREED MERLES. OF COURSE, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN ALL BREEDS THAT HAVE MERLES - YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE HERE. AS IT STANDS NOW, CCA WANTS TO BAN MERLES FROM THE SHOW RING ONLY. THAT TELLS ME THAT THIS IS PURELY AN AESTHETIC THING - YOU CAN'T SHOW THEM BUT YOU CAN BREED THE HELL OUT OF THEM! AND SELL THEM FOR BIG BUCKS YET! AND STILL REGISTER THEM WITH AKC TOO! WHAT EXACTLY, DOES BANNING THEM FROM THE SHOW RING ACCOMPLISH? IF THESE ANTI-MERLE FOLKS REALLY MEANT BUSINESS, THEY WOULD HAVE STARTED A GRASS ROOTS CAMPAIGN TO BAN THEM - PERIOD! IF THEY REALLY CARED, AS THEY WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE, THEY WOULD HAVE STARTED AT THE GROUND FLOOR YEARS AGO & WORKED THEIR WAY UP - IT SEEMS THEY ARE STARTING AT THE TOP AND AREN'T EVEN BOTHERING TO WORK THEIR WAY DOWN. I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT THESE SHOW PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A RAT'S BUTT ABOUT THE MERLES - THIS IS A CONTROL ISSUE AND AT THIS POINT, I EVEN HAVE MY DOUBTS THAT IT IS AN AESTHETIC ISSUE ANYMORE. IF IT WAS A REAL ISSUE OF CARING, WHY SINGLE OUT THE SHOW RING - WHY NOT MAKE IT ALL-INCLUSIVE AND SIMPLY BAN ALL MERLE DOGS? THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. KEEPING THE DOGS OUT OF THE SHOW RING ISN'T GOING TO MAKE THEM DECREASE IN THE NUMBERS PRODUCED - THE MILLS & BYB'S WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THE "RARE" COLOUR. PERHAPS BREEDERS ARE AFRAID TO COMPETE WITH THE DOGS IN THE RING, SEEING THAT THOSE FINISHING ARE NICE DOGS AND MORE OF THEM ARE MAKING THEIR DEBUT KNOWN. I JUST DON'T GET IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THOSE LENGTHS AND YOU HATE THE MERLE SO MUCH, THEN DON'T BE SO SELECTIVE ABOUT WHERE YOU'LL ALLOW IT TO GO. JUST GET RID OF IT & BE DONE WITH IT, RIGHT? MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT TO PRODUCE THE DOGS THAT NO ONE WILL WANT TO BOTHER WITH IT. WHY PUSSYFOOT AROUND? IF THERE'S AN ANSWER TO THIS ONE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT - GO FOR IT! MAGGIE MAY
It has been an ironic situation all along that makes one wonder............
My problem in the beginning was, purity. 'Were merles present years ago.?" Enough evidence has been presenteed for me to believe yes, they were. At least back to the 50s, so obviously before hand as well.
The rhetoric of health issues being linked to RESPONSIBLY bred merles, is just assinine.
Seems to be a control issue, or perhaps stepping on toes...........? Not about improvement like it should be for all Chi lovers.
Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies,
Originally posted by Hu-Dare: It has been an ironic situation all along that makes one wonder............
My problem in the beginning was, purity. 'Were merles present years ago.?" Enough evidence has been presenteed for me to believe yes, they were. At least back to the 50s, so obviously before hand as well.
Seems to be a control issue, or perhaps stepping on toes...........? Not about improvement like it should be for all Chi lovers.
HU.....YOU ARE ONE SMART PERSON!!!! I SENT OUT A LETTER FROM NAPOLEONS VIEWPOINT... TO ALL THE CCA MEMBERS AND AKC PEOPLE. IT IS AMAZING THE FEEDBACK I HAVE RECEIVED. 2-1 IN FAVOR OF THE STANDARD STAYING AS IS. IT SEEMS THE ONES LIKE YOU HAVE ''SEEN THRU THE AGENDA'' AND HAVE COME TO AN EDUCATED CONCLUSION. THANK YOU......HU
Originally posted by Hu-Dare: It has been an ironic situation all along that makes one wonder............
My problem in the beginning was, purity. 'Were merles present years ago.?" Enough evidence has been presenteed for me to believe yes, they were. At least back to the 50s, so obviously before hand as well.
Seems to be a control issue, or perhaps stepping on toes...........? Not about improvement like it should be for all Chi lovers.
HU.....YOU ARE ONE SMART PERSON!!!! I SENT OUT A LETTER FROM NAPOLEONS VIEWPOINT... TO ALL THE CCA MEMBERS AND AKC PEOPLE. IT IS AMAZING THE FEEDBACK I HAVE RECEIVED. 2-1 IN FAVOR OF THE STANDARD STAYING AS IS. IT SEEMS THE ONES LIKE YOU HAVE ''SEEN THRU THE AGENDA'' AND HAVE COME TO AN EDUCATED CONCLUSION. THANK YOU......HU
It is nice to see you two on the same wave length - the way I see it you both are down to earth, honest, straight shooters who aren't afraid to speak out for what is right. Hurrah.
It would be nice if you two could meet up. I just bet there would be mega agreements and disagreements, and a good time had by all.
Originally posted by Hu-Dare: It has been an ironic situation all along that makes one wonder............
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IRONIC, BUT IT HAS CERTAINLY STIRRED UP A LOT OF MUCK - ACCUSATIONS, NAME CALLING, FILFTHY LANGUAGE, YOU NAME IT, WE GOT IT. ANYWAY, AT FIRST I, TOO, WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IF/WHEN/HOW THE MERLE GENE WAS INTRODUCED. THEN I REALIZED THAT IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE - IT IS IN THE BREED AND IS TOO FAR INTO THE GENE POOL TO EVER REMOVE IT, SO IT IS UP TO RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS WHO CARE & TEST THEIR DOGS TO MAKE SURE THEY REMAIN PROBLEM FREE, SO I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT I DON'T REALLY CARE FROM WHENCE THE GENE CAME - WE WILL NEVER KNOW ANYWAY, SO THAT IS A LOT OF ENERGY WASTED OVER SOMETHING WE CAN NEVER TRULY KNOW - I JUST WANT TO SEE IT RESPECTED & DEALT WITH ACCORDINGLY & FROM WHAT I CAN SEE,MERLE BREEDERS HAVE TAKEN THE BULL BY THE HORNS AND MOVED FORWARD. I DON'T SEE BREEDERS OF OTHER COLORS DOING ANY TESTING SO THAT TELLS ME THAT THEY ARE CONTENT TO SIT IN THEIR LITTLE WORLDS AND THINK THAT THEIR DOGS HAVE NO PROBLEMS. TALK ABOUT TURNING A BLIND EYE! OR EVEN A DEAF EAR!
My problem in the beginning was, purity. 'Were merles present years ago.?" Enough evidence has been presenteed for me to believe yes, they were. At least back to the 50s, so obviously before hand as well.
The rhetoric of health issues being linked to RESPONSIBLY bred merles, is just assinine.
YOU ARE RIGHT - BUT THE ANTI-MERLE PEOPLE DON'T TEST THEIR DOGS, YOU SEE, BECAUSE THEIR DOGS HAVE NO PROBLEMS, DON'T YOU KNOW? JEEZ......HOW STUPID CAN ONE BE?
Seems to be a control issue, or perhaps stepping on toes...........? Not about improvement like it should be for all Chi lovers.
I AM BETTING ON THE CONTROL ISSUE - BY A BUNCH OF "BREEDERS" WHO WON'T TAKE OFF THE BLINDERS AND AT LEAST SEE SOME OF THE LIGHT. MY TAKE ON IT IS TO EITHER BAN THEM ALL OR FORGET ABOUT IT - DON'T DO A HALF-BAKED JOB AND STILL ALLOW THE MILLS TO PROFIT. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BAN THE MERLES, THEN GO ALL THE WAY WITH IT OR NEVER MINDBECAUSE THE PROPOSAL OF BANNING THEM IN THE SHOW RING WON'T MAKE A DENT - HIDDEN MERLES WILL STILL BE SHOWN - THE MERLE BREEDERS HAVEN'T WORKED THIS HARD FOR NOTHING - AND OTHER BREEDERS WILL FOREVER BE WORRYING IF THEY HAVE GOTTEN MERLES IN THEIR LINES BECUASE THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHO IS A MERLE & WHO ISN'T. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THINGS ARE FORCED "UNDERGROUND" - THEY PROLIFERATE & THE PRICE GOES UP. MAGGIE MAY
Originally posted by Hu-Dare: It has been an ironic situation all along that makes one wonder............
My problem in the beginning was, purity. 'Were merles present years ago.?" Enough evidence has been presenteed for me to believe yes, they were. At least back to the 50s, so obviously before hand as well.
Seems to be a control issue, or perhaps stepping on toes...........? Not about improvement like it should be for all Chi lovers.
HU.....YOU ARE ONE SMART PERSON!!!! I SENT OUT A LETTER FROM NAPOLEONS VIEWPOINT... TO ALL THE CCA MEMBERS AND AKC PEOPLE. IT IS AMAZING THE FEEDBACK I HAVE RECEIVED. 2-1 IN FAVOR OF THE STANDARD STAYING AS IS. IT SEEMS THE ONES LIKE YOU HAVE ''SEEN THRU THE AGENDA'' AND HAVE COME TO AN EDUCATED CONCLUSION. THANK YOU......HU
It is nice to see you two on the same wave length - the way I see it you both are down to earth, honest, straight shooters who aren't afraid to speak out for what is right. Hurrah.
It would be nice if you two could meet up. I just bet there would be mega agreements and disagreements, and a good time had by all.
I've had a little experience with newly developed colors in several breeds and species. Admittedly, mainly from the sidelines just from being in the fancy as long as I have.
Just recently I've taken the plunge into self lilac Persians. What I call a 'double dilution" whos origin came from Siamese! Much controversy about 30 years ago to merge Himilayans into the Persian breed as Colorpoint Persians. I was against it because of the purity issue, but todays Himi boasts beautiful Persian type! I DO NOT BREED COLORPOINTS! One step, or perhaps several past this bit of history are the "self" or solid colors introduced by the pointeds. Lilac and Chocolate. CFA has grouped these two very seperate and distinguishable colors into one, called OTHER SOLID COLOR. (not plural) Granted, there are only 16 chocs and lilacs sporting the title of Grandchampion on the planet, the latest being the one I mentored last year and the dam of my girl, but the predjudice is prevelant with breeders and the politics of CFA as a whole.
Like you George, I LOVE A CHALLENGE! Along with having a certain amount of understanding of what you're up against.
Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies,
I don't see the price going up on merles in my area even if they do become "rare". Mine haven't been sold at all they have been placed in pet homes (so far anyway). From what I have seen show guality prices are about the same no matter what color/pattern the chihuahua is. I see chihuahuas advertised (AKC registered) for very low prices around here. I don't ship & don't plan to so that will always limit my buyers. It's really nice to be able to place them close to us (lots of good reasons). I see the prices that merles are sold for on the net (supposedly) but I don't think there are very many people buying them. Most responsible/good breeders aren't asking those prices for their merles. If they are it's a show quality dog in which case it would bring that kind of price no matter what color it was. charly
Originally posted by charly: I don't see the price going up on merles in my area even if they do become "rare". Mine haven't been sold at all they have been placed in pet homes (so far anyway). From what I have seen show guality prices are about the same no matter what color/pattern the chihuahua is. I see chihuahuas advertised (AKC registered) for very low prices around here. I don't ship & don't plan to so that will always limit my buyers. It's really nice to be able to place them close to us (lots of good reasons). I see the prices that merles are sold for on the net (supposedly) but I don't think there are very many people buying them. Most responsible/good breeders aren't asking those prices for their merles. If they are it's a show quality dog in which case it would bring that kind of price no matter what color it was. charly
I SINCERELY HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE MERLE COLOR NOT BECOMING RARE. NONE OF MINE HAVE BEEN SOLD AS INTACT PETS, BUT SEVERAL HAVE GONE TO SHOW HOMES AND ARE NOW POINTED. I WONDER ABOUT THOSE NET PRICES TOO - SOMETIMES I THINK THEY ARE PLANTED THERE TO MAKE THE BREEDER LOOK LIKE THEY ARE REALLY MOVING DOGS AND TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO PURCHASE. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN HUGE PRICES FOR MY DOGS BUT I KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AND WHO THEY ARE WITH AND WHAT THEIR FUTURES WILL BE SO $ ISN'T ALWAYS THE MOTIVATING FACTOR IN THE MERLES, NO MATTER WHAT THE ANTI-MERLE PEOPLE SAY. MAGGIE MAY
I SINCERELY HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE MERLE COLOR NOT BECOMING RARE. NONE OF MINE HAVE BEEN SOLD AS INTACT PETS, BUT SEVERAL HAVE GONE TO SHOW HOMES AND ARE NOW POINTED. I WONDER ABOUT THOSE NET PRICES TOO - SOMETIMES I THINK THEY ARE PLANTED THERE TO MAKE THE BREEDER LOOK LIKE THEY ARE REALLY MOVING DOGS AND TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO PURCHASE. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN HUGE PRICES FOR MY DOGS BUT I KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AND WHO THEY ARE WITH AND WHAT THEIR FUTURES WILL BE SO $ ISN'T ALWAYS THE MOTIVATING FACTOR IN THE MERLES, NO MATTER WHAT THE ANTI-MERLE PEOPLE SAY. MAGGIE MAY[/QUOTE] ________________________________________________ Well you know the old saying.........."yes, there's money in breeding & raising dogs, I know because I put it there". Any time a vet gets more for one c-section than a litter of chihuahuas can be sold for & the cost of all the other things have not even been added up yet we will never break even let alone make money. Very few people believe a person when you tell them that though. They figure we are hiding something & I am...........my costs to do this. I'm sure someone would want to have us committed if they knew the full story. My husband used to tell people that the dogs had air-conditioning before he did. Of course very few believed him & they just laughed thinking it was a good joke. It's late & I'm rambling about things again. Old age you know. charly
Oh so true ... I just got in a nice new order from Revival chock full of all sorts of necessities and niceties for the dogs - but when do you think the last time was I bought something for myself that wasn't doggy related? Here's a hint: BC - yep, BEFORE CHIHUAHUAS! lol
But what these precious dogs give back cannot be measured in terms of money and that is the joy they bring and the love they give and the passion they have inspired in me. The correct answer to why do I breed - certainly NOT MONEY.
Sadly IN EVERY BREED there are a number of "greeders" (can't really call them breeders) who, not giving a hoot for conformation, soundness, health, temperament, just throw two dogs together, don't invest in quality foundation dogs, don't get vet clearances, don't give proper care in terms of veterinary care, quality food, housing, etc., who abuse, neglect, overbreed their poor dogs, who do manage to make a profit off their innocent animal wards. My theory is that when it comes to breeding Chihuahuas if you are making money you must be doing something "wrong"!
P.S. Yeah, I have yet to place a merle intact into a breeding home but I have placed several altered merles free as loving companions. Goodness, yet ANOTHER merle breeder "motivated by money"!
Originally posted by Hu-Dare: Seems to be a control issue, or perhaps stepping on toes...........? Not about improvement like it should be for all Chi lovers.
HU.....YOU ARE ONE SMART PERSON!!!! I SENT OUT A LETTER FROM NAPOLEONS VIEWPOINT... TO ALL THE CCA MEMBERS AND AKC PEOPLE. IT IS AMAZING THE FEEDBACK I HAVE RECEIVED. 2-1 IN FAVOR OF THE STANDARD STAYING AS IS. IT SEEMS THE ONES LIKE YOU HAVE ''SEEN THRU THE AGENDA'' AND HAVE COME TO AN EDUCATED CONCLUSION. THANK YOU......HU
Msggie/Hu, you are 100% CORRECT. Amen!
George, LOVED the "letter from Napoleon" --- I find it hard to believe that anyone with an intelligent mind could study the merle Chi issue and seeing the FACTS - NOT the baseless nonsensical allegations being hurled (without any supporting evidence) by the rabid anti-merle sector of the fancy -- and come to believe that the merle Chihuahua is the "evil" these hateful anti-merle bigots would have uneducated folks believing. Their personal VENDETTA and not so well hidden AGENDA is a FAR CRY from the "betterment of the breed" they profess!
Thanks for putting up the good fight and getting that nice boy and others out there to be seen - and heard from - on behalf of quality merle Chis everywhere!
Originally posted by Hu-Dare: Like you George, I LOVE A CHALLENGE! Along with having a certain amount of understanding of what you're up against.
I LOVE CHALLENGES. ANYONE CAN FINISH A FAWN CHIHUAHUA OR A RED MIN PIN. SO BACK IN THE 70'S/EARLY 80'S I STARTED BREEDING CHOC/BLUES IN MIN PINS. I FINISHED THE FIRST EVER ISABELLA/RUST MIN PIN IN CANADA. SHE IS THE FIRST IN HER BREED TO EVER GET A BREED TITLE. I FINISHED MANY CHOC/RUST AND BLK/RUST MIN PINS. EARLY 80'S I FINISHED THE FIRST AMERICAN BRED UNCROPPED ERECT EARED B/R IN U.S. AND HIS B/R SON TOO. HAVE WELL OVER 60 TITLES ON MY CHIS.....CHOCS, BLUES, B/T, BRINDLES, FAWNS, AND MERLES. THERE ARE 2 MIN PIN AND 2 CHIHUAHUA BOOKS WITH MY DOGS ON THE COVERS.
SO THE LIKES OF TT'S, SIRIUS/TAYNAS ETC.... ARE LIKE BOVINE FECES HITTING A FAN. IT SPREADS AND STINKS FOR AWHILE..... BUT EVENTUALLY THEY DRY UP AND BLOW AWAY.
I understand Hu, and being the traditionalist that I am, the whole purity thing got to me at first. However, a breed is a breed when it breeds true, in my opinion, and with effort and knowledge, I'm seeing more and more typey Merle Chis. So, that being said, I simply cannot understand why people need to go after each other about this. It's not like certain people on here are exchanging stud services, or doing dog deals, so why not continue on your(generic) way, and then do what you(generic) feel is necessary for the breed?
Originally posted by Ratlady: George, LOVED the "letter from Napoleon" --- I find it hard to believe that anyone with an intelligent mind could study the merle Chi issue and seeing the FACTS - NOT the baseless nonsensical allegations being hurled (without any supporting evidence) by the rabid anti-merle sector of the fancy -- and come to believe that the merle Chihuahua is the "evil" these hateful anti-merle bigots would have uneducated folks believing. Their personal VENDETTA and not so well hidden AGENDA is a FAR CRY from the "betterment of the breed" they profess! [/color]
THANKS RL.... THEY ARE SOOOO TRANSPARENT. OH WELL. HERE IS OUR BOYS GROUP WIN PHOTO.
Originally posted by Lady Dane: I understand Hu, and being the traditionalist that I am, the whole purity thing got to me at first. However, a breed is a breed when it breeds true, in my opinion, and with effort and knowledge, I'm seeing more and more typey Merle Chis. So, that being said, I simply cannot understand why people need to go after each other about this. It's not like certain people on here are exchanging stud services, or doing dog deals, so why not continue on your(generic) way, and then do what you(generic) feel is necessary for the breed?
Pretty Min Pin George!
I AGREE 100%! IF A BREED BREEDS TRUE & CAN BE PROVEN TO BE TRUE BY TESTING, IF NEED BE, THEN WHY NOT LET THOSE WHO ARE DEDICATED TO THE PATTERN TAKE IT & RUN WITH IT? IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE MERLES ARE GETTING TYPIER AND MORE REFINED ALL THE TIME - AT LEAST THE ONES IN THE SHOW RING ARE - SO SOME BREEDERS OUT THERE ARE DOING A HECK OF A JOB AND THAT IS AS IT SHOULD BE: IMPROVEMENT WITH EACH GENERATION. ALL THE PERSONAL AND MALIGNING BS IS NOTHING BUT A SMOKESCREEN FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO INTELLIGENT RESPONSE. GEORGE'S LITTLE FELLOW IS AWESOME - WHAT A GREAT PICTURE OF HIM! WE CAN ALL BE PROUD SINCE THIS IS THE KIND OF QUALITY WE SHOULD ALL BE AIMING FOR, REGARDLESS OF COLOR - BUT SO VERY LOVELY IN MERLE! MM
I AGREE 100%! IF A BREED BREEDS TRUE & CAN BE PROVEN TO BE TRUE BY TESTING, IF NEED BE, THEN WHY NOT LET THOSE WHO ARE DEDICATED TO THE PATTERN TAKE IT & RUN WITH IT? IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE MERLES ARE GETTING TYPIER AND MORE REFINED ALL THE TIME - AT LEAST THE ONES IN THE SHOW RING ARE - SO SOME BREEDERS OUT THERE ARE DOING A HECK OF A JOB AND THAT IS AS IT SHOULD BE: IMPROVEMENT WITH EACH GENERATION. ALL THE PERSONAL AND MALIGNING BS IS NOTHING BUT A SMOKESCREEN FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO INTELLIGENT RESPONSE. GEORGE'S LITTLE FELLOW IS AWESOME - WHAT A GREAT PICTURE OF HIM! WE CAN ALL BE PROUD SINCE THIS IS THE KIND OF QUALITY WE SHOULD ALL BE AIMING FOR, REGARDLESS OF COLOR - BUT SO VERY LOVELY IN MERLE! MM[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU FOR THE NICE COMPLIMENTS... AND I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. IT ONLY TAKES INTELLIGENCE AND COMMON SENSE TO SEE THAT. SOME BREEDERS ARE STUCK IN A RUT AND IMPROVEMENT IS NOT ON THEIR AGENDA. TESTING IS NOT IMPORTANT OR NECESSARY.[SIC] OH WELL. I LIKE OUR AGENDA BETTER....AT LEAST IT DOES NO HARM TO THE BREED.
Quote by CB.... Enough said. Even YOU know they are mixed breeds. Now lets see what the CCA decides..
This is a very odd stand to take.... since DNA results have proven them to be testing 100% chihuahua.....
And no one can say how long and if they were mixed, because there is NO proof. They are not testing secondary. Sorry but it is the DNA proof of it.
Photos showing the pattern since early 1900's.
And your hatred for the merle for being a mixed breed when an admitted fact is that the long coats are mixed; shows pure bigotry on your behalf. Ok for the long coats but not the merles?
And even further more that long coats today are still DNA testing to be secondary chihuahuas...
Your stand makes no sense.
Bottom line if you can support showing your(generic) longcoats that are mixed(although) I know you don't show CB, and they are mixed... they get rid of the double standard that merles can't be shown, because they are MIGHT be mixed. Or else ban the long coats too. I think that would be insane, but if I followed your logic here, I would be screaming to ban the long coats because they are indeed MIXED BREEDS even to date.
Or you could request that ALL LONG COATS be DNA for chihuahua breed, prior to being able to register them... maybe that would clean up some of the mess that "some" of the breeders are obviously still doing... not to mention a violation of AKC.
Seems to me... that you need to clean house in alot of others areas first before you preach about mix breeds and health issues. Dogs being born without limbs is definately an area of HUGE CONCERN. AND THEY ARE NOT MERLES! Long Coat breeders still mixing breeds, pro-merle show breeders being denied CCA membership based on color pattern preference... seems to me, the right over seeing party needs informed, as this is truely a need for review!!! And I am praying for the pro-merlers to see the day when this activity is addressed, and these individuals are held accountable, for the abuse of position/power... and we know who you are.
How nice it would be to have the advantage to see something other than white, cream, fawn, and red chihuahuas winning in the ring.... And really it IS TIME FOR A NEW COLOR. Your colors have been stagnent long enough, again the standard says "any color, marked or splashed".
The merles already breed true. Too bad your(generic) longcoats aren't.
Originally posted by Tanya: ASStella you just love to make things up!!! What other long coats have not tested to be Chihuahuas, ones the merle breeders are raising? LOL! Long coats have existed since the Aztecs they are not a new variant. The first Chihuahua registered or shown was a long coat. Asstella you are the worst at making up breed facts, try to contact the CCA breed historian and learn something about the breed. Its never TIME to change a breed's standard, type or history because some want to make cash off a color variant. George had one dog that did not DNA Chihuahua, LMAO no one is surprised by that given her past history. Testing should be a concern for anyone breeding merles since they can and do cause developmental defects obviously or other countries would not have taken the step to restrict it within the breed. Maybe pro merle people are denied membership because they don't know their sponsors, they do not complete their membership applications or they falsify membership applications or registration papers.
You wanna breed DESIGNER dogs that's your business don't expect many to help you by allowing you to change the breed standard and breed type to suit your marketing ventures.
PS There are no photographs showing merle Chihuahuas in the 1900s, that is a figment of grasping merle Chihuahua breeders imaginations and all of you sending that stuff to AKC to make your point are only looking foolish since every photograph was explained or proven to be non merle by the owners or the breed historian.
Just so you CAN'T delete this one!!!
LOL
It isn't hard to draw you from the woodwork, Tanya.... and to get you to say things unbecoming...
You truely seem to not be able to agree to disagree, and someone like you should realize by now when you're getting played!
I seem to pull out the "REAL TANYA"....LOL
And I am sure you have access to the same info as the rest of us... about DNA results.LOL
How does that crystal ball work? You definately, seem to be a very hostile chihuahua breeder! My dear Tanya/Sirius what has happen to you my dear? And why are you so full of anger and rage? Your obsessive conpulsive disorder is delightful to read here! And your claim to be an end all resource to ALL about the breeds and history is entertaining..... but you aren't considering the human element, and DNA proof and testing...
And I will say again my Dear, I don't want to change a standard .... THAT'S YOU.... and I don't want to mix breed... YOU are the EXPERT... Like you said as long as you don't get caught... a mixed breed should test pure in 4 generation right? LOL
Talk about one that abuses power/position you take the cake.. TANYA... can't wait for some of the letters to include some of your documented activity... sure hope the KATIE ordeal is included. YOU should look in the mirror , and ask yourself WHY do the things Astella says P*SS me off so bad....
I know why, do you? LOL
How about trying not to respond... if I am so full of it!!! Oh, that's right I know why... you are an obsessive/conpulsive and you can't refrain from doing it.....
It is enlighting to see that you cleaned up your act over the years..... but alas you still talk like a truck driver! When your not Sirius!LOL
Originally posted by Tanya: I have no idea what you are talking about but then neither does anyone else. My answer to you is not angry its truthful you seem to think anyone that knows the facts is angry. You should let everyone in on what it is that seems to make you write like you are chemically enhanced. I don't see any four letter words in my posts. I don't have any power or position... but go write a soap opera you sure are good at making things up. I'm not angry but you sure seem to be! LOL!
Originally posted by Maggie May: IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE MERLES ARE GETTING TYPIER AND MORE REFINED ALL THE TIME - MM
Enough said. Even YOU know they are mixed breeds. Now lets see what the CCA decides. We already know what 5 other countries have decided.
NO, NOT NEARLY ENOUGH SAID. NEITHER YOU NOR I KNOW THAT THE MERLES ARE A MIXED BREED - NO ONE HAS "PROVEN" THAT THEY ARE AND NO ONE HAS "PROVEN" THAT THEY AREN'T. AND THEY ARE TESTING TRUE AS WELL.
AS FAR AS GEORGE'S DOG, TANYA, THAT TESTING NON-TRUE WAS BROUGHT IN BY ENGLISH BLOOD, PROBABLY A POM CROSS. IT JUST EATS YOU ALIVE THAT SHE IS SO UP-FRONT ABOUT IT AND NOT LYING LIKE YOU WANT TO IMPLY.
JUST REMEMBER ABOUT COUNTING YOUR CHICKENS, ETC. ETC. CB. WHO HAD THE LAST LAUGH AT THE LAST PETITION? IT AIN'T OVER UNTIL IT'S OVER AND THAT HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED. MM
