Here is a link to the correlation of white dogs and the white factors and deafness and may help some understand.

http://www.lsu.edu/deafness/genetics.htm

http://www.mahkotadenafarms.com/BumblePedigree.html

Nice pedigree on Bumble,the quality shines through... a merle piebald looks like responsible breeding occurring here.

Holly another shining example of quality well not really Davishall >shudders<

http://www.mahkotadenafarms.com/ChihuahuaDamPedigree.html

The lack of quality pedigrees is astounding but merle breeders will breed anything.

http://www.mahkotadenafarms.com/baya_pedigree.html

They all know what they are doing and they all have quality dogs

http://www.mahkotadenafarms.com/ChihuahuaSirePedigree.html

I want to know how a cream and a black and tan with white markings produced a merle dog.

Lots of piebalds in those pedigrees and breeding them to merles and now they have the offspring, does not seem like good combinations.

Well I am LMAO,

As once again you muck up an informational page,,,,, you don't want anyone to read by A DR you yourself quoted, but oh well...


and as far as your 3 guessing who I am, lets recount for the public,

FIRST NICOLE
THEN someone in CANADA
And now A breeder in PA that breeds merles...

I applaud you efforts but I hate to tell you this (NOT REAllY) your wrong again... NEXT

do you want a clue, I don't breed dogs!LOLOLOLO

I think your frantic posts here are a deversion to the fact that your DR STRAIN wrote how white dogs and PIEBALDS cause deafness!

It took a few minutes to find but I found it...

Sirius you are so sad

hopefully someone will see the the first post and read it, as once again you spread C**P about nothing and try to keep breeders from hearing the truth.

Maybe you don't want "your" CCA to read about PIEBALDS I don't know what your point to all of this is,or if I am the one who figure out you aren't from the UK which you did post by the way, I went back and looked.LOL

But it is fun to look at pretty COLORED dogs, thanks

I understand perfectly well about Dr Strain he can write one thing one day and then have the opposite opinion the next day. Its interesting to use Dr Strain because he can make your point for you on any merle deafness subject no matter what side of the coin you are on.


I am not a CCA member so I have nothing to do with what they see or do not see.
Yes we know know this is you and for you to post the things you are posting is very hypocritical but I am not surprised I think most have to be hypocrites to say they are breeding for the betterment of the breed and then they add the merle gene.

Well Sirius it is a shame you muck up an informational post,again,

And for you to think you know who I am is just a laugh it makes you look like an, well I think everyone can see your insane behavior, and funny I figured it out after 3 posts to me by you.

I will give you another clue though.
1)I don't breed dogs, 2)but I do own one.LOL
Tell me how many clues do you want?LOL

I swear it is like I can't say anything anywhere without you going on and on about things I am not talking about. Which by the way are about merles and banning.blah, blah, blah

I don't understand this, and I am starting to think you just don't want me to post.

IT MAKES me wonder why, or are you like this with everyone? Someone please help here.

And if you Don't agree with DR STRAIN then why did you quote him in the first place? It took time to look up a quote, from a DR I thought you respected. I thought that would stop your fighting with me(OH WELL I was wrong,LOL,it is quite obvious you won't) Now your saying he's wishy washy.

And I am not Bias, I know what he said, and it in my opinion was a fair link.

And I know what he says about the merle gene, I read it before I posted it.

But you aren't acknowledging the facts about breeding excessive whites, piebalds together, which is an equal health risk as the merle gene, you are defending the practice.

And although it is just my opinion I THINK YOUR WRONG to defend it. And I wouldn't do it in any breed. UNLESS I COULD TEST

I am just trying to educate here, not fight.

Now Sirius I am going out to dinner tonight, and outoftown for the weekend, so please don't get over confident here(not that you do... LOL), I won't be posting for a few days. I unlike you have a life. But I will come back and see who else your fighting with. OK DEAR

Jolly good entertainment we have here folks so glad the insomnia is dreadful this eevning/morning ! What do we have here ? Scandal lies and hypocrisy!

I did not have to look up any quote that was information received as an email. It is also the exact opposite of what Dr Strain said 3 years ago in another email when asked the same question.'

That study by Dr Strain is what is called assumptive science. It is not the science discovered by Watson and Crick.[double helix] You were going on about your DNA testing but none of that appears on your web page. You go on and on about people breeding piebalds as if that is something worse than merles. I am acknowledging that you are breeding merles and piebalds. I wonder how Brandy feels about your constant fabrications? I'm sure she still loves you dearly since she posted she knew your mother. Maybe she is your sister? At the least she is probably another "medical background family member".

Anyone catch the first sentence on Jesson's page?

"many of our family members have a medical background, helping to provide awareness and understanding of genetic strengths and trends."
Interesting she used a very simular quote to justify her knowledge of genetics here.

I prefer not to be educated by a hypocrite this is what bothers me about you. Not too sure how others feel, but lying about who you are and what you are already doing with regards to breeding merle Chihuahuas makes one think of Denmark.

Posting this so others know how I know who you are, your sister Brandy is using Bumble as her avatar on another forum where she and you are currently posting.

you people are so sad... the way you rip each other apart... i don't know who any of you are & I don't want to either, all I know is there are all lot of good breeders on both sides being called stupid and immoral and I say ENUFF is enough... no matter what the decision, I'll continue to to do what I want to do because, after all this is America and I have the RIGHT to do that, and I'LL do it without ripping good people to peices. The BYB & Millers prolly are't contributing to this forum.. so the only ones you are HURTING are respectable breeders so please stop. I think i'll change breeds totaly cause you chi people are so heartless... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posting this so others know how I know who you are, your sister Brandy is using Bumble as her avatar on another forum where she and you are currently posting

Seeing how my name is Brandy, always has been, always will be, and I have nothing to hide or be afraid of, and I know so much about piebalds and excessive whites that I obviously have done my homework, that really wasn't all that hard to figure out. Why this matters to you is beyond me, I really am boring. So that you can put a face to Brandy, here I am with Bumble and the aussie is my dearest friend in the world. And Bumble came to live with me quite wonderfully if you want to know. My husband and I had a shar-pei who died suddenly of a liver aneorism and my aussie stopped eating, totally went into depression and I almost lost him, So my sister sent Bumble down to help my WHOLE family, and it worked. The little demon saved us, so you better watch what you say.
And he is an extreme piebald. He has good patellas and he has passed his CERF test. The closest place to BAER test is in New YORK and I have already told you I have a 2 year old. Not real possible at this stage in my life.
I stink at putting stuff on the computer, so I can't prove any of this but I wouldn't think someone would rattle on like this if it were not the truth. Oh, and he(Bumbie) is 7 pounds because my husband has this eat mama eat philosphy, although I bet he is weighing in at 6 pounds now that it is summer.
Your obession with who people are is odd. But I have nothing to hide from, be ashamed of or likewise. I am not a show person or a breeder, but I do like to learn and educate myself, and I feel I have a lot of calm informative things to add, Now that we have that all past us, is there anything else you would like to know?

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Originally posted by Brandy:

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Posting this so others know how I know who you are, your sister Brandy is using Bumble as her avatar on another forum where she and you are currently posting

Seeing how my name is Brandy, always has been, always will be, and I have nothing to hide or be afraid of, and I know so much about piebalds and excessive whites that I obviously have done my homework, that really wasn't all that hard to figure out. Why this matters to you is beyond me, I really am boring. So that you can put a face to Brandy, here I am with Bumble and the aussie is my dearest friend in the world. And Bumble came to live with me quite wonderfully if you want to know. My husband and I had a shar-pei who died suddenly of a liver aneorism and my aussie stopped eating, totally went into depression and I almost lost him, So my sister sent Bumble down to help my WHOLE family, and it worked. The little demon saved us, so you better watch what you say.
And he is an extreme piebald. He has good patellas and he has passed his CERF test. The closest place to BAER test is in New YORK and I have already told you I have a 2 year old. Not real possible at this stage in my life.
I stink at putting stuff on the computer, so I can't prove any of this but I wouldn't think someone would rattle on like this if it were not the truth. Oh, and he(Bumbie) is 7 pounds because my husband has this eat mama eat philosphy, although I bet he is weighing in at 6 pounds now that it is summer.
Your obession with who people are is odd. But I have nothing to hide from, be ashamed of or likewise. I am not a show person or a breeder, but I do like to learn and educate myself, and I feel I have a lot of calm informative things to add, Now that we have that all past us, is there anything else you would like to know?

Just so this doesn't go away...

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Originally posted by Sirius:
I understand perfectly well about Dr Strain he can write one thing one day and then have the opposite opinion the next day.

Actually, what he did was CORRECT the MISINFORMATION you were spreading about his research.

We have better and better genetic information and testing available, with new strides always being made, with which to make better informed decisions ... it's just too bad the anti-merle people will not avail themselves of the opportunity to LEARN.

They are like ostriches sticking their heads in the sand having made up their bigoted minds that merle is dangerous to the breed with NO evidence to support this theory and they will not bring their heads up for air and to look at and discuss the FACTS!

But then again since the FACTS prove them WRONG I guess I understand whey they are afraid of the TRUTH and the TEST RESULTS of the SINGLE MERLE CHIHUAHUAS PROVEN TO BE HEALTHY.

(2) NO TEST RESULTS EXIST PROVING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A SINGLE COPY OF THE MERLE GENE AND HEALTH ISSUES IN THE CHIHUAHUA AND NO GENETIC EXPERT HAS PROVIDED ANY DATA PROVING THIS CONNECTION!!!

There are only 4 CERF results listed for Merle Chihuahuas and all 4 were done in 2004. Goodness, I saw none listed for your merles.

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Originally posted by Sirius:
I want to know how a cream and a black and tan with white markings produced a merle dog.

THAT IS A VERY SIMPLE ONE TO ANSWER. THE PUP ON THE LEFT IS RED MERLE.....BUT AS AN ADULT HE IS JUST A CLEAR FAWN....HE IS NEUTERED AND IN A ET HOME....BUT HAD HE BRED A TRI FEMALE.....BLUE MERLES COULD BE EXPECTED. THAT SIMPLE.

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Originally posted by SeriousTOO:
(2) NO TEST RESULTS EXIST PROVING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A SINGLE COPY OF THE MERLE GENE AND HEALTH ISSUES IN THE CHIHUAHUA AND NO GENETIC EXPERT HAS PROVIDED ANY DATA PROVING THIS CONNECTION!!!

There are only 4 CERF results listed for Merle Chihuahuas and all 4 were done in 2004. Goodness, I saw none listed for your merles.

Serious ... who could take you seriously? I guess it never occurred to you that just because someone doesn't send in their test results to CERF that that doesn't mean they were not tested!?!

I have my CERF clinic test results right here, how about you?

And BTW I already posted them on the board looooong ago ...

As for BAER testing the certified vet at the BAER clinic told the owner of the merle I bred to in order to get my foundation merle when she had him and several litters of his puppies BAER tested (ALL of which BAER tested NORMAL) that while he would do the testing it was a complete and utter waste of their time and money and really very silly to BAER test a dog simply because it was a single merle. They still went ahead with the testing and like I said, all BAER tested perfectly normal.


Piebald is actually a whole lot more of an issue in the breed than merle ... so will the anti-merle bigots go after piebald next? What will they do with their SOW Chihuahuas then?

You all really need to get SERIOUS about your OWN breeding programs, take the beam out of your OWN eyes and maybe then we could solve some of the REAL issues that are in this breed!

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Originally posted by Chibreeder:
George. So what are you going to do? Be like Ratlady and spay/neuter every pup you sell because you know in the end it will come back to your bloodlines when one gets in the wrong hands? How is that improving the breed? To breed.... to sell......PETS!!!!!Thats what a BYBer does.

LMBOPMP - Yeah, GEORGE, if there is ONE thing CB knows all about it is BYB-ers. And millers. Like the ones on the APRI/USABreedersBoard forum that he places his SUSTANDARD quality Chihuahuas with INTACT FOR BREEDING. Now THAT's improving the breed alright - NOT!


This is really very VERY funny ... ONLY CB would find something wrong with my placing pets already altered or on spay/neuter contract! Just goes to show you his caliber as a breeder! Not that there was any doubt, but still ...

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Originally posted by Chibreeder:

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Originally posted by Ratlady:
This is really very VERY funny ... ONLY CB would find something wrong with my placing pets already altered or on spay/neuter contract! Just goes to show you his caliber as a breeder! Not that there was any doubt, but still ...

Just how many breeding/show puppies has she sold in the last four years? How many were merle with full breeding rights? How many were finished? NONE!!!! How many BYBers/millers are on your forum Rats? You might be surprised.

What a MORON ... YOU REALLY NEED TO STOP DRINKING! YOU NEED ALL THE BRAIN CELLS YOU HAVE LEFT - ALL TWO OF THEM!

SINCE I HAVE NEVER PLACED A MERLE INTACT FOR BREEDING OR IN ANYTHING BUT A PET HOME ... HERE'S A BETTER QUESTION:

CB, HOW MANY BACKYARD BREEDERS AND MILLERS HAVE PRODUCED HOW MANY SUBSTANDARD QUALITY OFFSPRING FROM SUBSTANDARD DOGS YOU HAVE PLACED INTACT WITH THEM FOR BREEDING PURPOSES?

Tsk Tsk!