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quote: Originally posted by Chibreeder: quote: Originally posted by Henny: quote: Originally posted by Maggie May: quote: Originally posted by Tanya: LeslieRiley/Hiney, I don't have to have anyone speak on my behalf nor do I have to have permission from anyone to chat on this forum. I do not have to have anyone post for me here. The majority of the people posting here are liars, hypocrites or they have no life or they enjoy bashing people. Please have at it if thats what you like but please try to deny your illusions/delusions that I am involved in any way shape or form. While you are at it, if thats all you dried up prunes have to do, why don't you come up with some new nicknames and disgusting made up sexual scenarios for me as the others are tired and drab. Hurry and copy this post Hu  Don't worry though I'm not removing it.
Why not? You remove all the other posts where you have called people filfthy names among other things. What's the matter - are you afraid someone might post them for ALL to see? And no one has to make-up any sexual scenarios about you - you seem to do that very well on your own. You & Chibreeder must be quite a duo as you rush to his defense - guess he can't speak for himself. How sad. MM
 It is indeed a strange relationship isn't it, however, can it be said it is merely a relationship of convenience? Imagine a supposed fine upstanding, ethical, responsible AKC breeder of some degree of integrity defending and abetting a lowly APRI/ACR/CKC chi breeder wannabee follower of the Knox Gang? Laughable. No matter how you bar-b-que the bull, it is done rare no matter how long it hangs on the spit......raw, rare and ready - there ya go - a whole new dance routine... BTW - my name is not Leslie.
You two really are disillusioned. First off Henny I dont use ACR/CKC. So stop with your lying. Secondly, I dont need anyone coming to my defense. I have been doing very well on my own. Even through the lies and insinuations that have been thrown in. However, I do agree with Tanya on several issues. Liars, hypocrites, and bashers are all some of these people stand for. I dont know who Henny is but after 4 years of argueing with her I suspect she is some 400# woman with no life but her puter and keeping tabs on TT. Her siggy should be that fat lady putting up the lost dog poster with the chihuahua stuck in the crack of her a$$. That's my picture of Henny. Yes, you have left quite an impression in my mind Henny. 
You, above all, should know what liars, hypocrits and bashers are!what with your dance coach goading you on. And you STILL don't have a clue as to who Henny is? DUH! Your mind picture of Henny is exactly what happens when a delusional brain works overtime. You need a rest before you really go off the deep end! I am worried about your mental health. MM |
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They sure must be able to hide for many, many generations when long time show breeders of over 35 years in the ring all over the country never saw a merle chi in the ring.
Do you really think they were all so stupid they wouldn't recognise the merle pattern when they saw it?
The merle gene is not a recessive gene that stays hidden that! many generations.
I WILL TRY ONE MORE TIME TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE LITTLE MAN AND LITTLE BRAIN....SO HE CAN TWIST IT ANYWAY HE WANTS....WHICH HE WILL....AND I WONDER WHY I EVEN TRY. IF IT CAN HELP ANYONE ELSE TO UNDERSTAND....I WILL TRY AGAIN. 1-SOME DNA TESTED INDIVIDUALS WITH VERY FAINT MERLE PATTERNS THAT QUICKLY DISAPPEAR [AS THE PHOTO I POSTED]ARE AND HAVE BEEN FOR EONS BEEN REGISTERD AS FAWN/BLOND/RED/CREAM....WHATEVER. MOST BREEDERS OF THE PAST OR EVEN THE PRESENT WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE....AS MOST OF THEM CLEAR INTO A SOLID COLOR. HELL...WE SHOW YOU PHOTOS OF THEM IN THE OLD BOOKS AND THE PHOTOS ARE POO-POO'ED AND CALLED SHADOWS AND POOR QUALITY PHOTOS. [DUHH COMPARE YOUR HD TVS TO THE OLD B/W TV AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE??? DUHH BUT SOME FOLKS DO NOT HAVE THAT COMPREHENSION] BACK TO THE ISSUE.....THE MERLE PATTERN IS ''A DOMINANT GENE'' FROM THE EVER SO LIGHT BLEND INTO THE COAT TO THE VIVID MERLE PATTERN. FOR DECADES THE POPULAR SHOW COLOR HAS BEEN BLOND/CREAM/FAWN. TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS A BLEND IN MERLE PATTERN [BORN WITH THE FAINT PATTERN....BUT FADED OUT] AND BREED IT WITH ANOTHER BLOND/FAWN/CREAM. THEORETICALLY 50% WILL BE LIGHT COLORED WITH FAINT MERLE MARKINGS THAT CLEAR UP WITH THE ADULT COAT. MOST BREEDERS WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT THIS WAS....SABLING? WHATEVER. THIS CAN GO ON FOR DECADES. NOW.....IN THE 90'S MANY OF THE ''OTHER'' COLORS STARTED TO BE SHOWN....BLUES, CHOC, TRIS,..... AND WHEN ONE OF THE ''HIDDEN MERLE PATTERNED'' DOGS WAS BRED TO ONE OF THESE COLORS...... VOILA....YOU HAVE A VIVID MERLE PATTERNED ONE. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. CAN YOU COMPREHEND THAT TT? BACK IN THE 30'S ON.....MANY OF THE OFF COLORS WERE CULLED....OR PASSED ON AS PETS. IN 1950 PAT PITTORE BOUGHT ONE OF THESE MERLE PATTERNED DOGS FROM ANNA VINYARD. THE ONES THAT WERE REGISTERED WERE ON THE MOST PART REG. AS BLK/SILVER/WH. Surely someone can answer. They sure must be able to hide for many, many generations when long time show breeders of over 35 years in the ring all over the country never saw a merle chi in the ring. HOW MANY LONG TIME BREEDERS THAT ONLY EXHIBIT IN THEIR OWN LITTLE LOCATION HAVE SEEN BRINDLE? OR A BLUE CREAM? OR CHOCOLATE? IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE INTERNET.... AND MORE FOLKS TRAVELING TO SHOWS....MANY WOULD NEVER HAVE SEEN THESE. NOT HAVING SEEN SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST. [IF THAT WAS THE CASE...WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE IN GOD[S]? Do you really think they were all so stupid they wouldn't recognise the merle pattern when they saw it? HELL....EVEN NOWADAYS SOME FOLKS SEE A BRINDLE AND THINK IT IS A MERLE. OR SEE A RED MERLE AND THINK IT IS A SABLE WITH BRINDLING OR VICE VERSA. The merle gene is not a recessive gene that stays hidden that! many generations. IT IS A DOMINANT GENE AND YES IN CERTAIN COLORS IT CAN STAY CAMOUFLAGED IN THE COAT. As soon as you quit trying to bury the question and I get a legitimate answer from George since she keeps insinuating long time breeders other than Pat is stoopid or blind.. I AM ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION ''LITTLEMAN''.... BUT WILL YOU HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO ASSIMILATE IT? NEW UP-COMING SHOW BOY
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George1948, its a lost cause. A few years back I went to a print shop & made copies of a good batch of Chihuahua pedigrees & mailed to Chibreeder trying to help him. I don't show & I made that plain to him & that I could not help him in that area. He found a "lady" who shows & has for some years. I told him that was good that she could help him I was sure. uh-huh ! Little did I know.
When he started his board he named me as one of his mods. Short story is he & Ratlady came to a place where they began to fight...........when it got bad I told them both (sent the same e-mail to each one) that I would no longer be part of their forums. Now here I am on this one listening to the same old stuff (not sure why except I want the merles defended). Anyhow I know lots of opinionated people & my thoughts are that FACTS do not change their minds.
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quote: Originally posted by GEORGE1948: quote:
They sure must be able to hide for many, many generations when long time show breeders of over 35 years in the ring all over the country never saw a merle chi in the ring.
Do you really think they were all so stupid they wouldn't recognise the merle pattern when they saw it?
The merle gene is not a recessive gene that stays hidden that! many generations.
I WILL TRY ONE MORE TIME TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE LITTLE MAN AND LITTLE BRAIN....SO HE CAN TWIST IT ANYWAY HE WANTS....WHICH HE WILL....AND I WONDER WHY I EVEN TRY. IF IT CAN HELP ANYONE ELSE TO UNDERSTAND....I WILL TRY AGAIN. 1-SOME DNA TESTED INDIVIDUALS WITH VERY FAINT MERLE PATTERNS THAT QUICKLY DISAPPEAR [AS THE PHOTO I POSTED]ARE AND HAVE BEEN FOR EONS BEEN REGISTERD AS FAWN/BLOND/RED/CREAM....WHATEVER. MOST BREEDERS OF THE PAST OR EVEN THE PRESENT WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE....AS MOST OF THEM CLEAR INTO A SOLID COLOR. HELL...WE SHOW YOU PHOTOS OF THEM IN THE OLD BOOKS AND THE PHOTOS ARE POO-POO'ED AND CALLED SHADOWS AND POOR QUALITY PHOTOS. [DUHH COMPARE YOUR HD TVS TO THE OLD B/W TV AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE??? DUHH BUT SOME FOLKS DO NOT HAVE THAT COMPREHENSION] BACK TO THE ISSUE.....THE MERLE PATTERN IS ''A DOMINANT GENE'' FROM THE EVER SO LIGHT BLEND INTO THE COAT TO THE VIVID MERLE PATTERN. FOR DECADES THE POPULAR SHOW COLOR HAS BEEN BLOND/CREAM/FAWN. TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS A BLEND IN MERLE PATTERN [BORN WITH THE FAINT PATTERN....BUT FADED OUT] AND BREED IT WITH ANOTHER BLOND/FAWN/CREAM. THEORETICALLY 50% WILL BE LIGHT COLORED WITH FAINT MERLE MARKINGS THAT CLEAR UP WITH THE ADULT COAT. MOST BREEDERS WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT THIS WAS....SABLING? WHATEVER. THIS CAN GO ON FOR DECADES. NOW.....IN THE 90'S MANY OF THE ''OTHER'' COLORS STARTED TO BE SHOWN....BLUES, CHOC, TRIS,..... AND WHEN ONE OF THE ''HIDDEN MERLE PATTERNED'' DOGS WAS BRED TO ONE OF THESE COLORS...... VOILA....YOU HAVE A VIVID MERLE PATTERNED ONE. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. CAN YOU COMPREHEND THAT TT? BACK IN THE 30'S ON.....MANY OF THE OFF COLORS WERE CULLED....OR PASSED ON AS PETS. IN 1950 PAT PITTORE BOUGHT ONE OF THESE MERLE PATTERNED DOGS FROM ANNA VINYARD. THE ONES THAT WERE REGISTERED WERE ON THE MOST PART REG. AS BLK/SILVER/WH. Surely someone can answer. They sure must be able to hide for many, many generations when long time show breeders of over 35 years in the ring all over the country never saw a merle chi in the ring. HOW MANY LONG TIME BREEDERS THAT ONLY EXHIBIT IN THEIR OWN LITTLE LOCATION HAVE SEEN BRINDLE? OR A BLUE CREAM? OR CHOCOLATE? IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE INTERNET.... AND MORE FOLKS TRAVELING TO SHOWS....MANY WOULD NEVER HAVE SEEN THESE. NOT HAVING SEEN SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST. [IF THAT WAS THE CASE...WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE IN GOD[S]? Do you really think they were all so stupid they wouldn't recognise the merle pattern when they saw it? HELL....EVEN NOWADAYS SOME FOLKS SEE A BRINDLE AND THINK IT IS A MERLE. OR SEE A RED MERLE AND THINK IT IS A SABLE WITH BRINDLING OR VICE VERSA. The merle gene is not a recessive gene that stays hidden that! many generations. IT IS A DOMINANT GENE AND YES IN CERTAIN COLORS IT CAN STAY CAMOUFLAGED IN THE COAT. As soon as you quit trying to bury the question and I get a legitimate answer from George since she keeps insinuating long time breeders other than Pat is stoopid or blind.. I AM ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION ''LITTLEMAN''.... BUT WILL YOU HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO ASSIMILATE IT? NEW UP-COMING SHOW BOY
So what you are saying is that there is already "hiddens" though out the CHI world. To me that is more frightening then if we knew that it was bred in from another breed. I guess then,we, is CHI breeders, need to DNA ALL non merle chi to be SURE we are not breeding "hiddens" or not bred anymore of them in to the gene pool.
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quote: Originally posted by tailwagging: quote: Originally posted by GEORGE1948: quote:
They sure must be able to hide for many, many generations when long time show breeders of over 35 years in the ring all over the country never saw a merle chi in the ring.
Do you really think they were all so stupid they wouldn't recognise the merle pattern when they saw it?
The merle gene is not a recessive gene that stays hidden that! many generations.
I WILL TRY ONE MORE TIME TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE LITTLE MAN AND LITTLE BRAIN....SO HE CAN TWIST IT ANYWAY HE WANTS....WHICH HE WILL....AND I WONDER WHY I EVEN TRY. IF IT CAN HELP ANYONE ELSE TO UNDERSTAND....I WILL TRY AGAIN. 1-SOME DNA TESTED INDIVIDUALS WITH VERY FAINT MERLE PATTERNS THAT QUICKLY DISAPPEAR [AS THE PHOTO I POSTED]ARE AND HAVE BEEN FOR EONS BEEN REGISTERD AS FAWN/BLOND/RED/CREAM....WHATEVER. MOST BREEDERS OF THE PAST OR EVEN THE PRESENT WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE....AS MOST OF THEM CLEAR INTO A SOLID COLOR. HELL...WE SHOW YOU PHOTOS OF THEM IN THE OLD BOOKS AND THE PHOTOS ARE POO-POO'ED AND CALLED SHADOWS AND POOR QUALITY PHOTOS. [DUHH COMPARE YOUR HD TVS TO THE OLD B/W TV AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE??? DUHH BUT SOME FOLKS DO NOT HAVE THAT COMPREHENSION] BACK TO THE ISSUE.....THE MERLE PATTERN IS ''A DOMINANT GENE'' FROM THE EVER SO LIGHT BLEND INTO THE COAT TO THE VIVID MERLE PATTERN. FOR DECADES THE POPULAR SHOW COLOR HAS BEEN BLOND/CREAM/FAWN. TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS A BLEND IN MERLE PATTERN [BORN WITH THE FAINT PATTERN....BUT FADED OUT] AND BREED IT WITH ANOTHER BLOND/FAWN/CREAM. THEORETICALLY 50% WILL BE LIGHT COLORED WITH FAINT MERLE MARKINGS THAT CLEAR UP WITH THE ADULT COAT. MOST BREEDERS WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT THIS WAS....SABLING? WHATEVER. THIS CAN GO ON FOR DECADES. NOW.....IN THE 90'S MANY OF THE ''OTHER'' COLORS STARTED TO BE SHOWN....BLUES, CHOC, TRIS,..... AND WHEN ONE OF THE ''HIDDEN MERLE PATTERNED'' DOGS WAS BRED TO ONE OF THESE COLORS...... VOILA....YOU HAVE A VIVID MERLE PATTERNED ONE. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. CAN YOU COMPREHEND THAT TT? BACK IN THE 30'S ON.....MANY OF THE OFF COLORS WERE CULLED....OR PASSED ON AS PETS. IN 1950 PAT PITTORE BOUGHT ONE OF THESE MERLE PATTERNED DOGS FROM ANNA VINYARD. THE ONES THAT WERE REGISTERED WERE ON THE MOST PART REG. AS BLK/SILVER/WH. Surely someone can answer. They sure must be able to hide for many, many generations when long time show breeders of over 35 years in the ring all over the country never saw a merle chi in the ring. HOW MANY LONG TIME BREEDERS THAT ONLY EXHIBIT IN THEIR OWN LITTLE LOCATION HAVE SEEN BRINDLE? OR A BLUE CREAM? OR CHOCOLATE? IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE INTERNET.... AND MORE FOLKS TRAVELING TO SHOWS....MANY WOULD NEVER HAVE SEEN THESE. NOT HAVING SEEN SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST. [IF THAT WAS THE CASE...WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE IN GOD[S]? Do you really think they were all so stupid they wouldn't recognise the merle pattern when they saw it? HELL....EVEN NOWADAYS SOME FOLKS SEE A BRINDLE AND THINK IT IS A MERLE. OR SEE A RED MERLE AND THINK IT IS A SABLE WITH BRINDLING OR VICE VERSA. The merle gene is not a recessive gene that stays hidden that! many generations. IT IS A DOMINANT GENE AND YES IN CERTAIN COLORS IT CAN STAY CAMOUFLAGED IN THE COAT. As soon as you quit trying to bury the question and I get a legitimate answer from George since she keeps insinuating long time breeders other than Pat is stoopid or blind.. I AM ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION ''LITTLEMAN''.... BUT WILL YOU HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO ASSIMILATE IT? NEW UP-COMING SHOW BOY
This is an excellent commentary on the merle pattern - I hope non-merle breeders will appreciate it & put it to good use. I also think that if you absolutely want to keep merles out of your gene pool, you should test - no question about it. And by testing you may also uncover some problems in your dogs that you didn't know you had, so testing covers a multitude of sins. I, too, know people who thought a brindle was a merle & visa versa. If you have never seen the pattern, it is perfectly understandable that you might not know what it is. And are you aware that any color spotted on white (also known as piebalds), because of the dilution factor, can have blue eyes? They are NOT merles, genetically, but may exhibit similar to one. How many in lala land have gotten a piebald with a blue eye(s) because they didn't understand the genetics & then thought they had a merle? Listen - Look - and Learn! Thanks for the commentary. MM So what you are saying is that there is already "hiddens" though out the CHI world. To me that is more frightening then if we knew that it was bred in from another breed. I guess then,we, is CHI breeders, need to DNA ALL non merle chi to be SURE we are not breeding "hiddens" or not bred anymore of them in to the gene pool.
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So what you are saying is that there is already "hiddens" though out the CHI world.
SO IT SEEMS
To me that is more frightening then if we knew that it was bred in from another breed.
MY FOUNDATION MERLE PATTERNED BOY DNA'S 100% CHIHUAHUA.....WHILE MY LC AM/CAN CH FROM VERY WELL KNOWN LINES WAS ONLY SECONDARY CHIHUAHUA.
I guess then,we, is CHI breeders, need to DNA ALL non merle chi to be SURE we are not breeding "hiddens"
WHY START NOW? BUT IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE PATTERN....IT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD IDEA AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT....CERF AND BAER TEST TOO.
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You two really are disillusioned. First off Henny I dont use ACR/CKC. So stop with your lying.
THEN WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ''APRI LINK'' ON YOUR WEBSITE?
Secondly, I dont need anyone coming to my defense. I have been doing very well on my own.
HAVE YOU REALLY?
Even through the lies and insinuations that have been thrown in.
ARE THEY?
However, I do agree with Tanya on several issues.
Liars, hypocrites, and bashers are all some of these people stand for.
YOU AND SHE SHOULD KNOW.
Yes, you have left quite an impression in my mind Henny.
I WOULD NOT SAY SO....YOU HAVE NOT SMARTENED UP.
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quote: Originally posted by Tanya:
and disgusting made up sexual scenarios for me as the others are tired and drab.
AWWW GEE WHIZ....I GUESS OUR ''EYE WITNESS'' DID NOT SEE YOU IN THE ELEVATOR AT THE NATIONALS? EVEN POINTED OUT A TATTOO THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN VISABLE WHEN PROPERLY CLOTHED. HMMMMM DISGUSTING....YES MADE UP..... I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. |
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quote: So what you are saying is that there is already "hiddens" though out the CHI world.
To me that is more frightening then if we knew that it was bred in from another breed.
I guess then,we, is CHI breeders, need to DNA ALL non merle chi to be SURE we are not breeding "hiddens"
HECK TW.... I WOULD DNA ALL LC'S AS THEY MAY NOT BE PUREBRED FOR CHIHUAHUA! THERE MAY BE MANY ''MUTTS'' OUT THERE IN THE SHOWRING GETTING TITLES. SO LET'S GET ON THE BANDWAGON AND START A PETITION TO HAVE ALL LC'S DNA'D BEFORE THEY CAN BE SHOWN. SOUND LIKE A PLAN? |
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I agree there maybe pom or pap in longs which means even smooths too since they are bred together. I am sorry I LOVE the color /pattern but at this time I feel that even if they where there in the breed for many years and there where hiddens floating around all the more risk that when there is more bred purposefully into the gene pool ,that there will be more chances for accentual breeding of merle to merle. = More eye issues. It is unfair to force a whole breed to do DNA markers test so that they can breed responsibly ( trying to produce healthy pups) just because others love a semi-lethal pattern. Pom or paps bred in (though I don’t agree with it) dose not cause eye and hear issues. I have seen you boy, Boat, and he was a very nice looking dog, but as I posted I am afraid of what might happen to this breed as it becomes saturated with visible and hidden merle genes. I, myself would feel more comfortable (and I am sure many others on both side of the merle issue) if we all came together and asked AKC to put a M behind ever dog’s registration # that could be carrying the gene.
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Uuummm, well Ratlady, there are bad breeders on every board & with every registry. Haven't been to very many commercial kennels nor have I bought dogs from very many of them. I have been to a fairly good sampling of AKC show breeders & bought dogs from some of them. As far as cleanliness is concerned from my observations the commercial kennels were better. As far as quality of health (again from my observations) the chihuahuas I saw at commercial kennels were better than the show dogs. The confirmation was about the same. I did not buy dogs from the commercial kennels so I have no vet reports to back up what I saw. I can tell you for certain that my AKC show/breeding prospects were a big let down in most cases (some went to pet homes without being bred). I have bought some outstanding AKC registered chihuahuas from clean kennels owned by nice AKC show chi breeders. We can generalize all day but when you get down to the nitty gritty its best to judge each breeder by what they themselves do (not what board they belong to). I have friends on both sides of that line you have drawn & I value each one for what they do & who they are. I even value chibreeder..........I have watched him & learned some very important lessons. I do not dislike you & I do value you (& I liked your board a great deal). My reasons for those last two items are vastly different. But I can not feel comfortable on a small board where the owners make it very, very clear that they really do not like me.........because I am a member of a board that they have decided is bad (& so is every one on there & they remind me of that pretty often that almost no one on that board is worth anything as far as they are concerned). Guess that means me also....correct ! The mod here pretty much keeps his/her mouth shut about those things as far as I can tell. Mostly I stay away from people who don't want "my kind" around. I have friends in the show world who never throw any of that in my face. No wish to hurt anyone but sometimes people need to get it "straight from the shoulder" so it reaches them. I am not tactful anymore & not trying to be. I have seen a few too many religious fanatics to enjoy that & it is exactly how I see some of you.
charly
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quote: Originally posted by Chibreeder: quote: Originally posted by tailwagging:
So what you are saying is that there is already "hiddens" though out the CHI world.
To me that is more frightening then if we knew that it was bred in from another breed.
I guess then,we, is CHI breeders, need to DNA ALL non merle chi to be SURE we are not breeding "hiddens"
or not bred anymore of them in to the gene pool.
You seem surprised.
Until I get my apology you can just leave me alone. Just because I don't jump on everyone all the time doesn't mean that that I don't read and have opinions. I ask questions not because I am dumb but because I want it to be clear as to what was posted.
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quote: Originally posted by charly:
Uuummm, well Ratlady, there are bad breeders on every board & with every registry. Haven't been to very many commercial kennels nor have I bought dogs from very many of them. I have been to a fairly good sampling of AKC show breeders & bought dogs from some of them. As far as cleanliness is concerned from my observations the commercial kennels were better. As far as quality of health (again from my observations) the chihuahuas I saw at commercial kennels were better than the show dogs. The confirmation was about the same. I did not buy dogs from the commercial kennels so I have no vet reports to back up what I saw. I can tell you for certain that my AKC show/breeding prospects were a big let down in most cases (some went to pet homes without being bred). I have bought some outstanding AKC registered chihuahuas from clean kennels owned by nice AKC show chi breeders. We can generalize all day but when you get down to the nitty gritty its best to judge each breeder by what they themselves do (not what board they belong to). I have friends on both sides of that line you have drawn & I value each one for what they do & who they are. I even value chibreeder..........I have watched him & learned some very important lessons. I do not dislike you & I do value you (& I liked your board a great deal). My reasons for those last two items are vastly different. But I can not feel comfortable on a small board where the owners make it very, very clear that they really do not like me.........because I am a member of a board that they have decided is bad (& so is every one on there & they remind me of that pretty often that almost no one on that board is worth anything as far as they are concerned). Guess that means me also....correct ! The mod here pretty much keeps his/her mouth shut about those things as far as I can tell. Mostly I stay away from people who don't want "my kind" around. I have friends in the show world who never throw any of that in my face. No wish to hurt anyone but sometimes people need to get it "straight from the shoulder" so it reaches them. I am not tactful anymore & not trying to be. I have seen a few too many religious fanatics to enjoy that & it is exactly how I see some of you.
charly
Charly, my opinion of TT/CB was NEVER my opinion of you. Of that you can be sure.
As far as commercial kennels vs. show breeders, well, I personally don't feel a commercial kennel and that type of environment is at all fit for the emotionally needy and extremely loving Chihuahua, living their entire lives in cages or small concrete runs with a minimum of basic care, devoid of the kind of human bonding and snuggle time they get in a caring hobby breeder environment.
As far as quality, yes, if a commercial breeder happens to get their hands on the dogs of quality that a dedicated show breeder has spent years cultivating then yes the quality COULD be the same (after all if they can brag on champions in the pedigree they can charge more for the puppy right?), and conversely some home breeders have TERRIBLE and not even good pet quality dogs. 
I think a whole lot more breeders no matter what type of breeder they call themselves need to be concerning themselves with health and soundness issues in addition to conformation - period.
About registries tho I will never feel those who register with APRI have the same dedication to the future of the breed as those who register and show with AKC/UKC. APRI was started by commercial millers who did not want to be bothered with AKC's requirements and wanted to save a buck or two on registering their dogs and litters so they could make more profit in selling their PETS. AKC was founded on the principle of furthering the sport of purebred dogs and bettering breeds and dedicated AKC show breeders are still passionate about this mission today even tho I have been disappointed by some of AKC's decisions in recent years.
Yes there are plenty of bad AKC breeders, no doubt about it. And some of them show. Sadly, breeding and showing champions is NOT a guarantee of a quality, etchial breeder. I wish that it were. But as far as which registries are home to the SERIOUS fanciers, there really is no contest. It is not APRI, Continental Kennel Club, ACA or any other knock off American registry. AKC and UKC are THE registeries for serious dog fanciers and those who are not simply producing pets but who are breeding with the future of their breed in mind. Other registries are just for selling pets.
P.S. I have always liked you Charly and enjoyed your posts and that has nothing to do with my feelings stated above. I have a number of friends who don't do everything exactly as I do or even as I think they should. That's just life.
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I am happy to report 15 merle chihuahuas were Baer tested today and all passed with flying colors- bilateral hearing normal. Of these 15, 3 were merle spotted on white or extreme merle piebalds as some have labeled them. All were normal!
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Thank you for this wonderful report DeAnne ... of course it comes as no surprise to those of us who are educated on the merle Chihuahua!
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... and the most perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black I have EVER heard!
