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Newba Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by Pitter:
A much better idea would be to up the kennel licence and intact dog and cat fees to pay for free spay/nueter for those unable to afford it.
It is already done where i am. It is only $10 to fix a dog for anyone. If you can't afford that, you can't afford to have a dog. Unfortunately, unless people are force to, people just won't do it on their own.
Posts: 210 | Registered: Fri April 21 2006
Pluba Freshman
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I just finished watching the video and can't believe that 90% of the dogs in CA are not licenced. That should be the top priority not new legislation.
And the excuses for the ones that are paid to go out door to door. If they can't even handle that properly, thats just unbelievable!
Posts: 742 | Location (City, State): The town of don't you worry | Registered: Sat May 28 2005
<Passion Wolf>
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I am happy that some of my topics is being talk about. I am also glad that people are taking notice as well
Good Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by Chibreeder:
quote:Originally posted by Ratlady:
Why, yes I did, oh observant one ... luckily for me and my dogs IF I am still living in this state by the time this idiotic piece of legislation goes into effect (a year from now)
quote: Location (City, State): Arizona
(Optional) Biography/Hobbies/Interests: Chihuahuas, Chihuahuas and oh, yes, Chihuahuas! 
ONE MORE THING: I HATE LIARS
Chibreeder, yes, I recently moved to California and we have been talking about moving to another state ... and yes I hate liars ... and yes I have run into a number of 'em here and on other boards/e-lists. BUT just what is your point? I mean, not that you have ever needed a point in order to post, but ... maybe this time is different? 
Posts: 3789 | Location (City, State): SoCA | Registered: Sun January 11 2004
Good Pluba
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OH, I GET IT ... I see I haven't updated my Pluba profile "location" since moving from Arizona ... so, what, I guess I am trying to "hide" the fact that I have moved to California - even tho it says so right on my web site home page!?! 
Some people really do have too much time on their hands ... 
And speaking of those with too much time on their hands and who spend it harassing and sticking their noses into others' business instead of minding their own ... I wonder how the upcoming merle Chi vote (Round 2) will go?
What I can tell you is that my homebred merle Chi Champion IS forthcoming!
No, TT, NOT APRI - that doesn't count! 
Posts: 3789 | Location (City, State): SoCA | Registered: Sun January 11 2004
Newba Pluba
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Hi Everyone, I am new here. I know that there are a lot of bad people out there doing bad things to make money, but those people are bad people, and bad people will always figure out a way to cheat the system and avoid all ethical standards to still make money. I mean this in all industry not just animals.
There are also a lot of good people out there. Who work really hard everyday, love their families and have family pets. A pet is at the base of family life. People love their companions, they protect them, feed them, and try to take the very best care of them. And they should be allowed to have them.This is what still makes them good people. But, when the bills are do and they dog needs to go to the vet to be spayed, the bills will always win. I think it is fabulous that there is a $10 spay/ neuter out there, but not in my area. If you give good people a choice to do the right thing, they will, if they can afford it. instead of mandating a law mandate at cost clinics, Mandate free rabies vaccines, Mandate help to those who need it.
Most people can't afford health insurance for themselves, if they can't afford to take of themselves, how can they take care of their pets. These are not bad people who have no business owning a dog, these are our neighbors feeling the effects of an economy that is leaving them behind.
That said, I know there is a tremendous problem with the puppymills_ I just don't think this will stop those bad people. They still sell puppies at our mall, $2500 and up, barn cats for $500 a piece,and we all know where the puppies come from, close down all those places... that might help.
I know I am not a breeder, and that this might not apply to what breeders are going through, but more on what is happening to the people with those mutts. I think a lot of the problem is with that and NOT the breeders. And I did just give my friend the $200 that she did not have, to get a stray cat that came her way neutered. But I don't think there are many people out there like me, Most would rather have a new cell phone then notice their neighbor needs help.
Posts: 89 | Registered: Thu May 03 2007
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Well what a surprise we are being lied to yet again by PETA and the other AR activists - and MILLERS - backing this bill.
Guess what? This came across a show list I belong to:
For those you who have not read AB 1634 closely, its supporters are fond of saying it has exemptions provided for the show fancy.
Today in the paper in SJ in an editorial it said the bill only allows those exemptions until January of 2009 then all dogs with or without valid exemption licenses must comply with the s/n regulations.
A friend of mine who is very up on this law checked it and says that is correct. The law clearly ends all exemptions as of Jan. 1, 2009.
So there are no exemptions for show dogs, the ones that are going in are only temporary.
Please cross post ...
Anybody that still thinks this bill is a good idea is (1) a complete and utter moron, (2) thinks PETA is a wonderful organization who truly loves animals, or (3) is themselves a miller who hopes to cash in on this situation. There can be NO other logical explanation for backing this type of criminally negligent (in terms of stripping people of their rights and actually caring about the good of the dogs/breeds) legislation.
Posts: 3789 | Location (City, State): SoCA | Registered: Sun January 11 2004
Good Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by Ratlady:
Well what a surprise we are being lied to yet again by PETA and the other AR activists - and MILLERS - backing this bill.
Guess what? This came across a show list I belong to:
For those you who have not read AB 1634 closely, its supporters are fond of saying it has exemptions provided for the show fancy.
Today in the paper in SJ in an editorial it said the bill only allows those exemptions until January of 2009 then all dogs with or without valid exemption licenses must comply with the s/n regulations.
A friend of mine who is very up on this law checked it and says that is correct. The law clearly ends all exemptions as of Jan. 1, 2009.
So there are no exemptions for show dogs, the ones that are going in are only temporary.
Please cross post ...
Anybody that still thinks this bill is a good idea is (1) a complete and utter moron, (2) thinks PETA is a wonderful organization who truly loves animals, or (3) is themselves a miller who hopes to cash in on this situation. There can be NO other logical explanation for backing this type of criminally negligent (in terms of stripping people of their rights and actually caring about the good of the dogs/breeds) legislation.
I would like to see the link to were you got that information. Also I would like to see the link that backs up what is being said about the date of Jan 1 2009.
From what I have read on this so far this bill does not in anyway help BYBers or Puppymills. But if you can show futher proof of what you are claiming so that we all can judge the information for ourselves then maybe my mind can be changed.
Oh I take offense to the "(1) a complete and utter moron, (2) thinks PETA is a wonderful organization who truly loves animals, or (3) is themselves a miller who hopes to cash in on this situation." as I am none of these and it is rude for you to make such a suggestion toward people that think this bill is good. It may just be that people that agree with the bill understand it better then you do. I assume this bill will affect you in a negative way!
Tomorrow is another day! Yesterday is already Past! Today is a day to Laugh!
Posts: 1750 | Location (City, State): My House, Florida | Registered: Fri June 09 2006
Good Pluba
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Well, you just made my point Myakka ...
If the bill makes no concession for quality hobby breeders who SHOW their dogs thus improving and ensuring the future of the breeds they care about then yes it DOES affect me but MORE THAN THAT it affects All purebred dog lovers and threatens the very existence of the breeds some (myself being one of them) have dedicated their lives to!
AGAIN (since you didn't understand it the first time) ... if the only people that are breeding are the millers who supply the pet shops then yes they DO benefit and you bet it is the DOGS who will suffer!!!
But then I would not expect a mutt breeder such as yourself to "get it" - what does someone who produces puppies regardless of quality and lineage care about the preservation of a BREED that is 100 years in the making!?!?!
Ummm, no, I cannot supply you with a "link" to the show list where I got this information ... you have to be a member to read and post and in order to be a member you have to be a purebred exhibitor - it's not a list for just anybody who throws two dogs together to reproduce. It's a list for the people truly dedicated to the future of the purebred dog in this country and rest assured even those who do not live in CA know how detrimental this legislation is to the DOGS.
Myakka, that you would even attempt to insinuate that this is about ME just proves my point even more ... sorry, but only someone completely ignorant of what is at stake here would make such a statement.
IT'S ABOUT THE DOGS!
Posts: 3789 | Location (City, State): SoCA | Registered: Sun January 11 2004
Newba Pluba
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Once again, you let others tell you what it means with out actually reading it for yourself.
An editorial by definition is a newspaper or magazine article that gives the opinions of the editors or publishers; also : an expression of opinion that resembles such an article.
This is what the newly revised bill says about 2009.
http://www.cahealthypets.com/pdf/AB%201634%20_as%20amen...ersion%20B%20_2_.pdf
(e) Any person who, on or after April 1, 2008, is in possession
of any document issued by the local jurisdiction or its authorized
animal control agency that permits the owner to possess an
unaltered cat or dog shall be deemed in compliance with this act
until the document expires, or January 1, 2009, whichever occurs first.
All it says is when it will actually be in effect for everyone. 4/2008 is the starting date for new licenses and 1/2009 is the date for everyone.
What it means is that since many different local jurisdictions have different laws and requirements for breeding, intact and kennel licenses, those who already have one which may comply with the current laws of where they are, but does not meet the minimum requirements of the new bill will be able to still follow the old terms of their license after 4/2008 until it expires but no later then January 2009. At this time, all of California will have to meet the minimum requirements for a license and apply for a new one under the new rules. For example, if some one currently has a mutt, or a dog reg with APRI or CKC or other registries that do not meet the new requirements, and had a breeding license until now which allowed them to breed it, they do not need to comply with the law until their current license expires or by 1/2009. Since this bill however will only allow a pure bred dog from the AKC and other approved registries to be bred, those people who qualified for one until now, won’t be able to get one unless they comply. This also applies to anyone who own any pet which needs to be licensed
Right after that it provides all the new different exclusions to this law and who will be qualified.
Go ahead and read it for yourself.
Btw, it looks like they have closed that loophole I was referring to before about out of state residents.
Check out this radio show about this issue with one of the originators of the bill.
http://www.cahealthypets.com/audio/Pet-Talk-with-Mr-G.mp3
Posts: 210 | Registered: Fri April 21 2006
Good Pluba
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Hi Norma, TY for the link and explaining this is a way that can easily be understood by all. I am going to go and read the link now.
Ratlady, You are a very rude person. I have to wonder if you are this rude in person. The fact that you cannot back up what you posted causes a person to disreguard what you said.
quote:But then I would not expect a mutt breeder such as yourself to "get it" - what does someone who produces puppies regardless of quality and lineage care about the preservation of a BREED that is 100 years in the making!?!?!
Are you implying that I am an idiot incapable of understanding what I read just because I bred Tinkerbell. Well I have to say you have tunnel vision.
I at least read the documents that are provided and don't just comment on what other people say!
quote:Myakka, that you would even attempt to insinuate that this is about ME just proves my point even more ... sorry, but only someone completely ignorant of what is at stake here would make such a statement.
I have to ask you this: are you incapable of compling with what is required? If so then Yes your animals should be fixed. If you can comply then you have no worries now do you?
Tomorrow is another day! Yesterday is already Past! Today is a day to Laugh!
Posts: 1750 | Location (City, State): My House, Florida | Registered: Fri June 09 2006
Good Pluba
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Ratlady- Again, it's not about "preserving" It's about IMPROVING.
Mya-What do you expect when using someones breed in such an entirely irresponsible manner.
Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies,
Posts: 3383 | Registered: Wed December 08 2004
Good Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by Hu-Dare:
Ratlady- Again, it's not about "preserving" It's about IMPROVING.
Mya-What do you expect when using someones breed in such an entirely irresponsible manner.
Hu it saddens me that you have been unable to move on. I have moved on. This topic is about; CA AB 1634 AMENDMENTS and not about me and what you disagree with what I have done. So do us all a favor and move on, you may feel better if you do.
Tomorrow is another day! Yesterday is already Past! Today is a day to Laugh!
Posts: 1750 | Location (City, State): My House, Florida | Registered: Fri June 09 2006
Good Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by Pitter:
Mya,
I suggest you join Petlaw @ yahoo groups.
Though you won't last long there.
Ya'll don't make much since. On one hand you preach spay and neuter and on the other hand you freak when it could become {or has } Law. Why is this? I agree with a spay neuter law for cats and dogs. So yet again I am wrong! Well I guess I should change my mind then get into the fight to stop the law and while I am doing it maybe I'll get some more females to mix breed.
That is how much sense this makes to me!
Tomorrow is another day! Yesterday is already Past! Today is a day to Laugh!
Posts: 1750 | Location (City, State): My House, Florida | Registered: Fri June 09 2006
Good Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by myakkacity:
quote:Originally posted by Hu-Dare:
Ratlady- Again, it's not about "preserving" It's about IMPROVING.
Mya-What do you expect when using someones breed in such an entirely irresponsible manner.
Hu it saddens me that you have been unable to move on. I have moved on. This topic is about; CA AB 1634 AMENDMENTS and not about me and what you disagree with what I have done. So do us all a favor and move on, you may feel better if you do.
I couldn't be happier if I had won the lottery!
Finished my AST last weekend with another major and preparing for the CFA Awards Banquet to honor my 2006 mentoring projects' accomplishments. And I need to move on????????
I'm not holding any animousity towards you by my statement. Just stating fact.
You are right about one thing. This topic is about an important issue, not your poor breeding practices, nor my dislike for it. Although I do find it fitting YOU are a prime example of what this bill is trying to eliminate.
My apologies to the topic starter and to those who take this issue seriously, for using this thread to state the obvious.
Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies,
Posts: 3383 | Registered: Wed December 08 2004
Good Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by Hu-Dare:
Ratlady- Again, it's not about "preserving" It's about IMPROVING.
Hu, get over yourself please ... when the topic is legislation that thwarts responsible purebred breeding and encourages millers you bet it is about the very preservation of the quality purebred dog!
I see you just glossed over the rest of my post where I talked about breeders IMPROVING and ensuring the future of their breeds in a failed attempt at superiority.
Posts: 3789 | Location (City, State): SoCA | Registered: Sun January 11 2004
Newba Pluba
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You don’t need to read usabreeders to know my motives. I said it first right here.
one of the main reasons for that mega shelter they are building is to comply with a CA state law that forbid public shelters from euthanizing adoptable dogs. Unfortunately, shelters are forced to violate this law everyday because they do not have enough room for all of them. This shelter, along with this bill, will help them comply with the law.
Posts: 210 | Registered: Fri April 21 2006
Good Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by myakkacity:
Ratlady, ...
Are you implying that I am an idiot incapable of understanding what I read ...
Apparently this is the case since you are still trying to make this about ME and can NOT comprehend the REAL issue which is the future of the PUREBRED dog in this country.
quote:Originally posted by myakkacity:
I have to ask you this: are you incapable of compling with what is required? If so then Yes your animals should be fixed. If you can comply then you have no worries now do you?
Oh dear you ARE slow aren't you? I have already made it perfectly clear that I am one of the lucky ones who will have no problem complying with the new regulations - thus belying your ridiculous and ignorant theory tha this is somehow about me OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I HAPPEN TO CARE ABOUT MY BREED - something you are obviously completely incapable of comprehending.
Sorry, Myakka, but you are a waste of time, you are a lost cause when it comes to understanding this issue because you could't care less about quality dogs, as evidenced by your breeding of your rescued mutt (and you have the nerve to say others should a/n THEIR dogs!). 'Nuff said.
You are 100% lacking in credibility to speak on this issue. And a perfect example of why this board is such a waste of time and why months go by with me not posting. BYBs, millers and mutt breeders united - with decent breeders few and far between. 
Posts: 3789 | Location (City, State): SoCA | Registered: Sun January 11 2004
Good Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by Chibreeder:
Still stuck huh Ratlady? Not too bad for an APRI uhh AKC uhhh APRI uhh AKC pup huh?
Stuck on the fact that APRI is the premier puppymiller registry created by those who were no longer welcomed by AKC and like yourself who were looking for a cheap way to register their dogs so they could make more money? You bet!
CB, if you only knew how silly you make of yourself by posting those ribbon pictures ... it's just sad that you are so craving the approval of others - and believe me it's going to take a lot more than that! Why can't you just post a show win result like other "normal" people (oh I forgot normal being the operative word, no wonder!)?
Anyway, that's a pretty ribbon, but don't you realize that those of us who know better know that just about any dog can finish if you drag it around to the right shows? I seem to recall a cute puppy ... but it's a consistently high quality breeding program AND responsible breeding/personal eithics AND dedication to a breed that make a breeder to respect and emulate - so don't fool yourself into thinking that silly picture does the trick for you.
BTW, have you stopped promoting APRI, the premier puppymiller registry, yet?
Posts: 3789 | Location (City, State): SoCA | Registered: Sun January 11 2004
Good Pluba
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quote:Originally posted by Ratlady:
quote:Originally posted by Chibreeder:
Still stuck huh Ratlady? Not too bad for an APRI uhh AKC uhhh APRI uhh AKC pup huh?
Stuck on the fact that APRI is the premier puppymiller registry created by those who were no longer welcomed by AKC and like yourself who were looking for a cheap way to register their dogs so they could make more money? You bet!
CB, if you only knew how silly you make of yourself by posting those ribbon pictures ... it's just sad that you are so craving the approval of others - and believe me it's going to take a lot more than that! Why can't you just post a show win result like other "normal" people (oh I forgot normal being the operative word, no wonder!)?
Anyway, that's a pretty ribbon, but don't you realize that those of us who know better know that just about any dog can finish if you drag it around to the right shows? I seem to recall a cute puppy ... but it's a consistently high quality breeding program AND responsible breeding/personal eithics AND dedication to a breed that make a breeder to respect and emulate - so don't fool yourself into thinking that silly picture does the trick for you.
BTW, have you stopped promoting APRI, the premier puppymiller registry, yet?
Hey Rat... Why must you always put down proven efforts of others that you've never accomplished yourself?
Hats off to you, Chibreeder!!! Keep going and gaining that experience. One of the few things no one can ever take away from you. Is this your 3rd show now? Go get 'em tiger!
Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies,
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It is already done where i am. It is only $10 to fix a dog for anyone. If you can't afford that, you can't afford to have a dog. Unfortunately, unless people are force to, people just won't do it on their own. |
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I just finished watching the video and can't believe that 90% of the dogs in CA are not licenced. That should be the top priority not new legislation.
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Chibreeder, yes, I recently moved to California and we have been talking about moving to another state ... and yes I hate liars ... and yes I have run into a number of 'em here and on other boards/e-lists. BUT just what is your point? I mean, not that you have ever needed a point in order to post, but ... maybe this time is different? |
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OH, I GET IT ... I see I haven't updated my Pluba profile "location" since moving from Arizona ... so, what, I guess I am trying to "hide" the fact that I have moved to California - even tho it says so right on my web site home page!?!
Some people really do have too much time on their hands ... And speaking of those with too much time on their hands and who spend it harassing and sticking their noses into others' business instead of minding their own ... I wonder how the upcoming merle Chi vote (Round 2) will go? What I can tell you is that my homebred merle Chi Champion IS forthcoming! No, TT, NOT APRI - that doesn't count! |
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Hi Everyone, I am new here. I know that there are a lot of bad people out there doing bad things to make money, but those people are bad people, and bad people will always figure out a way to cheat the system and avoid all ethical standards to still make money. I mean this in all industry not just animals.
There are also a lot of good people out there. Who work really hard everyday, love their families and have family pets. A pet is at the base of family life. People love their companions, they protect them, feed them, and try to take the very best care of them. And they should be allowed to have them.This is what still makes them good people. But, when the bills are do and they dog needs to go to the vet to be spayed, the bills will always win. I think it is fabulous that there is a $10 spay/ neuter out there, but not in my area. If you give good people a choice to do the right thing, they will, if they can afford it. instead of mandating a law mandate at cost clinics, Mandate free rabies vaccines, Mandate help to those who need it. Most people can't afford health insurance for themselves, if they can't afford to take of themselves, how can they take care of their pets. These are not bad people who have no business owning a dog, these are our neighbors feeling the effects of an economy that is leaving them behind. That said, I know there is a tremendous problem with the puppymills_ I just don't think this will stop those bad people. They still sell puppies at our mall, $2500 and up, barn cats for $500 a piece,and we all know where the puppies come from, close down all those places... that might help. I know I am not a breeder, and that this might not apply to what breeders are going through, but more on what is happening to the people with those mutts. I think a lot of the problem is with that and NOT the breeders. And I did just give my friend the $200 that she did not have, to get a stray cat that came her way neutered. But I don't think there are many people out there like me, Most would rather have a new cell phone then notice their neighbor needs help. |
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Well what a surprise we are being lied to yet again by PETA and the other AR activists - and MILLERS - backing this bill.
Guess what? This came across a show list I belong to: For those you who have not read AB 1634 closely, its supporters are fond of saying it has exemptions provided for the show fancy. Today in the paper in SJ in an editorial it said the bill only allows those exemptions until January of 2009 then all dogs with or without valid exemption licenses must comply with the s/n regulations. A friend of mine who is very up on this law checked it and says that is correct. The law clearly ends all exemptions as of Jan. 1, 2009. So there are no exemptions for show dogs, the ones that are going in are only temporary. Please cross post ... Anybody that still thinks this bill is a good idea is (1) a complete and utter moron, (2) thinks PETA is a wonderful organization who truly loves animals, or (3) is themselves a miller who hopes to cash in on this situation. There can be NO other logical explanation for backing this type of criminally negligent (in terms of stripping people of their rights and actually caring about the good of the dogs/breeds) legislation. |
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I would like to see the link to were you got that information. Also I would like to see the link that backs up what is being said about the date of Jan 1 2009. From what I have read on this so far this bill does not in anyway help BYBers or Puppymills. But if you can show futher proof of what you are claiming so that we all can judge the information for ourselves then maybe my mind can be changed. Oh I take offense to the "(1) a complete and utter moron, (2) thinks PETA is a wonderful organization who truly loves animals, or (3) is themselves a miller who hopes to cash in on this situation." as I am none of these and it is rude for you to make such a suggestion toward people that think this bill is good. It may just be that people that agree with the bill understand it better then you do. I assume this bill will affect you in a negative way! Tomorrow is another day! Yesterday is already Past! Today is a day to Laugh! |
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Well, you just made my point Myakka ...
If the bill makes no concession for quality hobby breeders who SHOW their dogs thus improving and ensuring the future of the breeds they care about then yes it DOES affect me but MORE THAN THAT it affects All purebred dog lovers and threatens the very existence of the breeds some (myself being one of them) have dedicated their lives to! AGAIN (since you didn't understand it the first time) ... if the only people that are breeding are the millers who supply the pet shops then yes they DO benefit and you bet it is the DOGS who will suffer!!! But then I would not expect a mutt breeder such as yourself to "get it" - what does someone who produces puppies regardless of quality and lineage care about the preservation of a BREED that is 100 years in the making!?!?! Ummm, no, I cannot supply you with a "link" to the show list where I got this information ... you have to be a member to read and post and in order to be a member you have to be a purebred exhibitor - it's not a list for just anybody who throws two dogs together to reproduce. It's a list for the people truly dedicated to the future of the purebred dog in this country and rest assured even those who do not live in CA know how detrimental this legislation is to the DOGS. Myakka, that you would even attempt to insinuate that this is about ME just proves my point even more ... sorry, but only someone completely ignorant of what is at stake here would make such a statement. IT'S ABOUT THE DOGS! |
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Newba Pluba |
Once again, you let others tell you what it means with out actually reading it for yourself.
An editorial by definition is a newspaper or magazine article that gives the opinions of the editors or publishers; also : an expression of opinion that resembles such an article. This is what the newly revised bill says about 2009. http://www.cahealthypets.com/pdf/AB%201634%20_as%20amen...ersion%20B%20_2_.pdf (e) Any person who, on or after April 1, 2008, is in possession of any document issued by the local jurisdiction or its authorized animal control agency that permits the owner to possess an unaltered cat or dog shall be deemed in compliance with this act until the document expires, or January 1, 2009, whichever occurs first. All it says is when it will actually be in effect for everyone. 4/2008 is the starting date for new licenses and 1/2009 is the date for everyone. What it means is that since many different local jurisdictions have different laws and requirements for breeding, intact and kennel licenses, those who already have one which may comply with the current laws of where they are, but does not meet the minimum requirements of the new bill will be able to still follow the old terms of their license after 4/2008 until it expires but no later then January 2009. At this time, all of California will have to meet the minimum requirements for a license and apply for a new one under the new rules. For example, if some one currently has a mutt, or a dog reg with APRI or CKC or other registries that do not meet the new requirements, and had a breeding license until now which allowed them to breed it, they do not need to comply with the law until their current license expires or by 1/2009. Since this bill however will only allow a pure bred dog from the AKC and other approved registries to be bred, those people who qualified for one until now, won’t be able to get one unless they comply. This also applies to anyone who own any pet which needs to be licensed Right after that it provides all the new different exclusions to this law and who will be qualified. Go ahead and read it for yourself. Btw, it looks like they have closed that loophole I was referring to before about out of state residents. Check out this radio show about this issue with one of the originators of the bill. http://www.cahealthypets.com/audio/Pet-Talk-with-Mr-G.mp3 |
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Good Pluba |
Hi Norma, TY for the link and explaining this is a way that can easily be understood by all. I am going to go and read the link now.
Ratlady, You are a very rude person. I have to wonder if you are this rude in person. The fact that you cannot back up what you posted causes a person to disreguard what you said. Are you implying that I am an idiot incapable of understanding what I read just because I bred Tinkerbell. Well I have to say you have tunnel vision. I at least read the documents that are provided and don't just comment on what other people say! I have to ask you this: are you incapable of compling with what is required? If so then Yes your animals should be fixed. If you can comply then you have no worries now do you? Tomorrow is another day! Yesterday is already Past! Today is a day to Laugh! |
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Ratlady- Again, it's not about "preserving" It's about IMPROVING.
Mya-What do you expect when using someones breed in such an entirely irresponsible manner. Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies, |
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Hu it saddens me that you have been unable to move on. I have moved on. This topic is about; CA AB 1634 AMENDMENTS and not about me and what you disagree with what I have done. So do us all a favor and move on, you may feel better if you do. Tomorrow is another day! Yesterday is already Past! Today is a day to Laugh! |
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Ya'll don't make much since. On one hand you preach spay and neuter and on the other hand you freak when it could become {or has } Law. Why is this? I agree with a spay neuter law for cats and dogs. So yet again I am wrong! Well I guess I should change my mind then get into the fight to stop the law and while I am doing it maybe I'll get some more females to mix breed. That is how much sense this makes to me! Tomorrow is another day! Yesterday is already Past! Today is a day to Laugh! |
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I couldn't be happier if I had won the lottery! Finished my AST last weekend with another major and preparing for the CFA Awards Banquet to honor my 2006 mentoring projects' accomplishments. And I need to move on???????? I'm not holding any animousity towards you by my statement. Just stating fact. You are right about one thing. This topic is about an important issue, not your poor breeding practices, nor my dislike for it. Although I do find it fitting YOU are a prime example of what this bill is trying to eliminate. My apologies to the topic starter and to those who take this issue seriously, for using this thread to state the obvious. Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies, |
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Hu, get over yourself please ... when the topic is legislation that thwarts responsible purebred breeding and encourages millers you bet it is about the very preservation of the quality purebred dog! I see you just glossed over the rest of my post where I talked about breeders IMPROVING and ensuring the future of their breeds in a failed attempt at superiority. |
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Newba Pluba |
You don’t need to read usabreeders to know my motives. I said it first right here.
one of the main reasons for that mega shelter they are building is to comply with a CA state law that forbid public shelters from euthanizing adoptable dogs. Unfortunately, shelters are forced to violate this law everyday because they do not have enough room for all of them. This shelter, along with this bill, will help them comply with the law. |
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Apparently this is the case since you are still trying to make this about ME and can NOT comprehend the REAL issue which is the future of the PUREBRED dog in this country.
Oh dear you ARE slow aren't you? I have already made it perfectly clear that I am one of the lucky ones who will have no problem complying with the new regulations - thus belying your ridiculous and ignorant theory tha this is somehow about me OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I HAPPEN TO CARE ABOUT MY BREED - something you are obviously completely incapable of comprehending. Sorry, Myakka, but you are a waste of time, you are a lost cause when it comes to understanding this issue because you could't care less about quality dogs, as evidenced by your breeding of your rescued mutt (and you have the nerve to say others should a/n THEIR dogs!). 'Nuff said. You are 100% lacking in credibility to speak on this issue. And a perfect example of why this board is such a waste of time and why months go by with me not posting. BYBs, millers and mutt breeders united - with decent breeders few and far between. |
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Stuck on the fact that APRI is the premier puppymiller registry created by those who were no longer welcomed by AKC and like yourself who were looking for a cheap way to register their dogs so they could make more money? You bet! CB, if you only knew how silly you make of yourself by posting those ribbon pictures ... it's just sad that you are so craving the approval of others - and believe me it's going to take a lot more than that! Why can't you just post a show win result like other "normal" people (oh I forgot normal being the operative word, no wonder!)? Anyway, that's a pretty ribbon, but don't you realize that those of us who know better know that just about any dog can finish if you drag it around to the right shows? I seem to recall a cute puppy ... but it's a consistently high quality breeding program AND responsible breeding/personal eithics AND dedication to a breed that make a breeder to respect and emulate - so don't fool yourself into thinking that silly picture does the trick for you. BTW, have you stopped promoting APRI, the premier puppymiller registry, yet? |
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Hey Rat... Why must you always put down proven efforts of others that you've never accomplished yourself? Hats off to you, Chibreeder!!! Keep going and gaining that experience. One of the few things no one can ever take away from you. Is this your 3rd show now? Go get 'em tiger! Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies, |
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