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Originally posted by Bratz:
lets clear this up i love merles so thats not my issue my issue is your dogs quality but since you want to dodge and duck then i guess we can wait till you go right out there and finish these latest 'hopefuls' (how many hopefuls is that for you, that have never done anything???????) and show us all what a wonderful and smart breeder you are. do it rats. get yer ass out there and do it and stop making excuses gawsh id be impressed if you just finished one dog....even if you didnt breed it. ima thinkin i shouldnt hold my breath for these accomplishments....roflmao and guess what someone with knowlege of breed type can definitely see the head-pieces on these dogs of yours are not typy so you and vonlarhem can go smooch and kiss ass all you want doesnt make your dogs any better

Julie
www.vonlahrheim.com
Home of versatile German Shorthaired Pointers

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Originally posted by Bratz:
lets clear this up i love merles so thats not my issue my issue is your dogs quality but since you want to dodge and duck then i guess we can wait till you go right out there and finish these latest 'hopefuls' (how many hopefuls is that for you, that have never done anything???????) and show us all what a wonderful and smart breeder you are. do it rats. get yer ass out there and do it and stop making excuses gawsh id be impressed if you just finished one dog....even if you didnt breed it. ima thinkin i shouldnt hold my breath for these accomplishments....roflmao and guess what someone with knowlege of breed type can definitely see the head-pieces on these dogs of yours are not typy so you and vonlarhem can go smooch and kiss ass all you want doesnt make your dogs any better

Geez, Bratz, honestly, no one here cares what you like or don't like, or what you think about my or anybody else's dogs ... you see, you are a cowardly troll hiding behind a fake identity without the guts to say who you really are and to provide any credentials of your own. Therefore, you have NO credibility whatsoever, especially when you spout such OBVIOUS nonsense!

You are an utter waste of time, energy and forum bandwidth. IF you EVER have something of VALUE to add to the forum - which NO ONE here will hold their breath for - then maybe someone will listen to you ... but I doubt that will ever happen 'cuz judging from your rants here you are truly ignorant.

Oh, yeah, I know, anyone who doesn't agree with you is "insane" or needs to adjust their meds or are lesbian lovers, or whatever. You are pathetic and obvious.

Later!


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Originally posted by VonLahrheimGSP's:

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Originally posted by Bratz:
roflmao and guess what someone with knowlege of breed type can definitely see the head-pieces on these dogs of yours are not typy so you and vonlarhem can go smooch and kiss ass all you want doesnt make your dogs any better

No one is kissing ass here, and I was talking to both of you, no one can tell what a dog is by a front head shot you need to see the whole body.
And Chauntelle you should get your dogs out in the ring if you think they are show quality. You do say a lot of your dogs are your new hopefuls but you never show them. Well I think you did a few times. I knwo you say you have medical problems and its hard for you but there are juniors out there looking for the chance to show and get experience, you could find one of them to help you. I can help you find one.

Yeppers, Von, Velvet didn't like showing AT ALL and Topper only showed a couple of times before I had the auto accident. Then no one showed for a while. So now I have a couple of hopefuls that have been waiting for me to get better. Bugsy is gorgeous but a bit soft for show ... I haven't given up on him totally yet as he is getting more bravado as he gets older so there's still hope for him, but he is not my main focus due to his softer nature as I would prefer a showier temperament. Some dogs are very nice but they don't show for whatever reason, doesn't mean they are not valuable. Bugsy may never show, but I also know a good dog is a good dog and a title is simply icing on the cake, so that would not too greatly influence my decision as to whether or not to incorporate him into my program in the future.

Dreamer will make his debut 2008. He's a lovely boy, self-colored dilute chocolate, which according to local Chi fanciers might make him a bit more difficult to show, but that just means he will have to be that much better I guess!

I also have a couple of other hopefuls coming up and I look to them to debut later 2008. Several local Chi people have offered to show for me which is great news since I do have concerns about my own ability to competentently show 'cuz I truly am a klutz!

I'll let you know if for some reason I need to look for another handler as I wouldn't mind a junior handler at all, they would still be more coordinated than me! lololol

So, anyway, I guess we'll see by the end of the year just who was completely full of baloney and who wasn't. Hope Bratz enjoys a little crow along with that foot she so often puts in her mouth!



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Originally posted by charly:
Ratlady, those chihuahuas look very good in the candid shots. Hope you can make it into the show ring or get someone to do it for you. It's been years now but the lady I got to show Skip for me got sick the day of the second show & I
have never managed to get it all together since then. There are not too many people that I trust to take care of my dogs either.
charly

Thanks, Charly, I'm pleased with where I've come with my program in a relatively short period of time and am generally very happy with what I see in my Chihuahaus now.

Yeah, you are SO right, to say it would be difficult to find someone I trust my Chis with is an understatement, which is one reason why I have not sent them "off" with a handler ... I just could not get comfortable with the idea, especially after hearing about more than one beautiful, sweet Chihuahua dying while in the care of their professional handlers! Just terrible ...

Hopefully these offers I have had from local Chi people to show for me will pan out as I would greatly prefer to meet ringside and have them go in, show, and then come home with "mommy"!

Maybe you can find someone you trust again someday to take one in for you.

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Originally posted by VonLahrheimGSP's:
At Reno KC last weekend a blue and white Chi went BIS!!
My handling intructors (Ryan and Ginger Hudson)are the breeder of his sire.

I happen to love a blue chi, so pretty. I was over at a local club member's home a few weeks back, talking Chihuahuas (of course!), and she said she and her "mentors" have chosen to not breed or keep blues because they have bad coats. Well, they probably saw one with color dilution alopecia, which blues OR fawns CAN get, but they certainly don't all get it and it seems to be more in some lines than others, from what I've observed.

I have seen plenty of blues with beautiful coats! Some out of Ginger Hudson's dogs, as a matter of fact! My girl Callie is sired by CH Osito Mr Bojangles - and she recently gave me a DARLING blue tri spotted girl I am just PRAYING gets big enough to keep! LOLOL, I'm sure you already know she doesn't have any breed type either (hehehehehehehe, just ask Bratz!), but here's a picture of the little darling anyway!





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Originally posted by Hu-Dare:
Maybe just a camera angle on the head or expression, but those ears are a no brainer. I'm not sure how you got all of that to stand!?

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Originally posted by Ratlady:


Yeppers, Von, Velvet didn't like showing AT ALL and Topper only showed a couple of times before I had the auto accident. Then no one showed for a while. So now I have a couple of hopefuls that have been waiting for me to get better. Bugsy is gorgeous but a bit soft for show ... I haven't given up on him totally yet as he is getting more bravado as he gets older so there's still hope for him, but he is not my main focus due to his softer nature as I would prefer a showier temperament. Some dogs are very nice but they don't show for whatever reason, doesn't mean they are not valuable. Bugsy may never show, but I also know a good dog is a good dog and a title is simply icing on the cake, so that would not too greatly influence my decision as to whether or not to incorporate him into my program in the future.

Dreamer will make his debut 2008. He's a lovely boy, self-colored dilute chocolate, which according to local Chi fanciers might make him a bit more difficult to show, but that just means he will have to be that much better I guess!

I also have a couple of other hopefuls coming up and I look to them to debut later 2008. Several local Chi people have offered to show for me which is great news since I do have concerns about my own ability to competentently show 'cuz I truly am a klutz!

I'll let you know if for some reason I need to look for another handler as I wouldn't mind a junior handler at all, they would still be more coordinated than me! lololol

So, anyway, I guess we'll see by the end of the year just who was completely full of baloney and who wasn't. Hope Bratz enjoys a little crow along with that foot she so often puts in her mouth!
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Originally posted by Bratz:
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, SAME OLD BRATZ NONSENSE & TROLL-LIKE RAMBLINGS ...

Trolls ... can't live with 'em, can't hunt 'em down and shoot 'em!



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Originally posted by Ratlady:

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Originally posted by Hu-Dare:
Maybe just a camera angle on the head or expression, but those ears are a no brainer. I'm not sure how you got all of that to stand!?

Hmmmm, well, actually, Chis are SUPPOSED to have big ears; one problem with many you see today is they are too much Pom influenced and thus have smaller ears than they should. Those smaller ears are incorrect. As is the obviously Pom-influenced dripping coat some Chis have. And my dogs' ears stand because I don't breed dogs with broken down ears as do many Chihuahua breeders.



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Julie
www.vonlahrheim.com
Home of versatile German Shorthaired Pointers

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Originally posted by tailwagging:
Sorry I have been busy.
A rabbit show the other weekend and a dog show this last weekend and keeping "the farm" going in between
I would have to see more pics of the pups to say much of anything. It does look like the merle has a "strong jaw" it may not but if it looks like it does to spectators the judge is less likely to put it up.......
I think HU was saying the ears are too high. the lower edge of the ear SHOULD be at the same level as the eyes. Not saying all CHI or CHI CHs have good ear sets. I believe they are suppose to be 10:00 to 2:00 on the face clock.
Yes some blues have VERY good coats. And some have color alopecia.
Yes Sunny is an dilute. A Blue fawn with light eyes. I showed him at indoors shows so his pupils would be larger and give more expression. Some dogs look better indoors and some better outdoors. It is just like anything else in showing, knowing how to present your dog the best it can be.

Ears are held higher when alert, lower when in repose. According to the breed standard, 45 degrees. The ear set on these dogs is acceptable, and I LOVE a proper LARGE ear, I think we are losing breed type with the smaller Pom influenced ears some are breeding.

Remington has a bit too much muzzle for my taste, IOW it is not as lean as I feel it should be, tho it is properly slightly pointed, not the sawed off thicker muzzles some have been incorrectly breeding for. I would prefer him to be built basically like Katie, whose headpiece is just about perfect IMO. But as we all know, no dog is perfect and every dog has flaws, and with some of the flaws I've seen winning in the ring, well, a bit thicker than cared for muzzle seems rather benigh and does not at least at this point require discarding an otherwise beautifully bred (but yes imperfect) dog. And his look could also change as he matures - his daddy's sure did, as he went terribly gangly and awful looking during his "teenage" months and did not look decent again until over a year old, and now he's a very handsome boy! Who knows? Maybe Remi will need to be held back and mature before he can truly compete as well - it doesn't matter to me, as I have two others to show this year anyway. I am not as certain as to how the new lines I have added with Veda and Vanni, which are now being incorporated into my program, are going to mature ... the other lines I had been working with for years and knew very well. One thing I have seen is that the new lines grow really fast and then slow waaaaaay down around 5-6 mos, whereas the lines I was working with before grew very slowly and did not really gain mature size until about two plus years!

The one thing anyone who has been involved with Chihuahuas for a while knows is that we sometimes have to wait a while until we know for certain that a particular dog is or is not one we want to incorporate into our breeding program - that is, if we are truly breeding for betterment and striving to breed superior quality. Sometimes you do not see the "real" dog you were hoping until two years of age, and some dogs cannot even begin to be shown until that age. In any event, it is nonsensical and ridiculous to think that every "hopeful" that ANYONE holds back as a young puppy is going to end up being shown and finished (and especially so when someone is newer to the breed). LOLOLOL, and anyway, I have seen plenty of show breeder websites with dogs from "big name" show breeders that are NOT finished, NOT pointed, NOT shown (didn't like showing, had an injury, went over size, missing teeth, whatever), and yet they still feel they are worthy to incorporate into their breeding programs. A title is GREAT; it does NOT however make the dog any better or worse to have or not have a CH in front of its name. Icing on the cake, IMO. Then again, I DO love icing! LOL

It sure would be nice to have all the parts we think are perfect on one dog, but it doesn't happen very often. Katie is about as close as I've seen, but I can even find things I would like to fine tune on her ... and of course I wish she was bigger!!!



LOL, yeah, I know all about keeping "the farm" going! It's a never-ending endeavor ... but a labor of love to be sure!

That's a good idea bout showing Sunny indoors to make the most of his expression ... I do like that boy anyway, he's lovely. Roc is his daddy, correct?


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Originally posted by charly:

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Hmmmm, well, actually, Chis are SUPPOSED to have big ears; one problem with many you see today is they are too much Pom influenced and thus have smaller ears than they should. Those smaller ears are incorrect. As is the obviously Pom-influenced dripping coat some Chis have.

Oh, and my dogs' ears stand because I don't breed dogs with broken down ears as do many Chihuahua breeders.

Isn't the new standard supposed to make it clear that the larger ears are correct ? Seems to me I read that or someone told me. Anyhow I did read a short statement to the effect that we were losing true chihuahua ear type (read "large") & it was a shame that so many show chihuahuas anymore have these little terrier ears that are not correct. I have a stud with those small ears & we try to breed him to girls with the larger (correct) ears. I notice that the pictures that I see of the dogs who are winning anymore have gone back to the larger ears again plus the noses are not so short as to make them appear to belong to another breed entirely. For a while it seemed like our chihuahuas were all going to have the bull dog "snort & snore". It was what was winning in the ring along with the short little ears. Cute but not correct.
charly

You know Charly I haven't actually seen the new standard language; someone read to me their notes taken at the meeting but I don't remember about the ears. I was concerned about a few of the suggested changes, tho, like saying okay to missing teeth. WHY not just breed dogs with good dentition? It did seem to me that many of the suggested standard changes were for some a self-serving attempt to revise and adopt a standard that allowed for the problems in their lines rather than concern for what is good for the breed. And of course going after merle, that's a given.

I am very happy to see some moderation coming back into the breed after those that had it in their care went way overboard and extreme with noses, heads, etc. OFTEN AT THE EXPENSE OF PROPER MOVEMENT AND STRUCTURE. I agree, those dogs are darling, but just not correct. Like my Bingo, IMO his head is too extreme (but very darling) ... as you say about your boy with the smaller ears, when I breed Bingo it is to more moderate females and I get the more moderate offspring.



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Originally posted by Ratlady:
Ears are held higher when alert, lower when in repose. According to the breed standard, 45 degrees. The ear set on these dogs is acceptable, and I LOVE a proper LARGE ear, I think we are losing breed type with the smaller Pom influenced ears some are breeding.

Remington has a bit too much muzzle for my taste, IOW it is not as lean as I feel it should be, tho it is properly slightly pointed, not the sawed off thicker muzzles some have been incorrectly breeding for. I would prefer him to be built basically like Katie, whose headpiece is just about perfect IMO. But as we all know, no dog is perfect and every dog has flaws, and with some of the flaws I've seen winning in the ring, well, a bit thicker than cared for muzzle seems rather benigh and does not at least at this point require discarding an otherwise beautifully bred (but yes imperfect) dog. And his look could also change as he matures - his daddy's sure did, as he went terribly gangly and awful looking during his "teenage" months and did not look decent again until over a year old, and now he's a very handsome boy! Who knows? Maybe Remi will need to be held back and mature before he can truly compete as well - it doesn't matter to me, as I have two others to show this year anyway. I am not as certain as to how the new lines I have added with Veda and Vanni, which are now being incorporated into my program, are going to mature ... the other lines I had been working with for years and knew very well. One thing I have seen is that the new lines grow really fast and then slow waaaaaay down around 5-6 mos, whereas the lines I was working with before grew very slowly and did not really gain mature size until about two plus years!

The one thing anyone who has been involved with Chihuahuas for a while knows is that we sometimes have to wait a while until we know for certain that a particular dog is or is not one we want to incorporate into our breeding program - that is, if we are truly breeding for betterment and striving to breed superior quality. Sometimes you do not see the "real" dog you were hoping until two years of age, and some dogs cannot even begin to be shown until that age. In any event, it is nonsensical and ridiculous to think that every "hopeful" that ANYONE holds back as a young puppy is going to end up being shown and finished (and especially so when someone is newer to the breed). LOLOLOL, and anyway, I have seen plenty of show breeder websites with dogs from "big name" show breeders that are NOT finished, NOT pointed, NOT shown (didn't like showing, had an injury, went over size, missing teeth, whatever), and yet they still feel they are worthy to incorporate into their breeding programs. A title is GREAT; it does NOT however make the dog any better or worse to have or not have a CH in front of its name. Icing on the cake, IMO. Then again, I DO love icing! LOL

It sure would be nice to have all the parts we think are perfect on one dog, but it doesn't happen very often. Katie is about as close as I've seen, but I can even find things I would like to fine tune on her ... and of course I wish she was bigger!!!



LOL, yeah, I know all about keeping "the farm" going! It's a never-ending endeavor ... but a labor of love to be sure!

That's a good idea bout showing Sunny indoors to make the most of his expression ... I do like that boy anyway, he's lovely. Roc is his daddy, correct?


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Originally posted by tailwagging:
Breeding is all about trying to get better offspring then the parents. Experience is what helps us to recognize the difference when we do get it.

Yeppers, so so true. I know when I saw Katie I was like, wow, there you are, better than either of your parents, pretty darned to close to exactly what I am breeding for, a very good feeling!! Now, to prove her in the show ring would definitely be the crowning glory! I will tell you that with Katie the challenge is going to be getting her to not flop over for a belly rub as soon as the judge touches her ... LOL, I laughingly refer to her as my "rare" (haha) ragdoll Chihuahua because she is an ordinary feisty little Chi when she's running around on the floor, but as soon as I get my hands on her she goes "boneless"!


LOL, yes, milking a cow would definitely make one's hand sore! I'm sure glad that's not part of my daily routine!!! My "farm" consists of the dogs, the turtles, the fish, the geckos, and, well, that's 'nuf!