Hu, He still has his back claws! Still haven't heard about a decision on what they will do, seems the family is coming down with the flu! I will hopefully get to chat with my friend tomorrow. I don't have any photos of the cat as I haven't even seen him yet. I have only passed on what I was told. I will see if I can get a photo. I am just as curious he sounds lovely.
As for cats biting, I have one that when I go to pull my hand away after petting her she will grab my hand and bite it, she doesn't like me to stop petting her.
On the other hand, fuzz ball uses his front paws all the time to grab at me, my hair, my hand ect. He sits on that top bunk and grabs me as I walk by. Funny thing is he doesn't use his claws. I noticed the other day that he never uses his claws when he plays with the puppies. That surprised me because the puppies are now 2 years old and they play rough with him. But he is their uncle you know.
Cats are interesting animals no matter what their breed, IMO. I wish I could take my friends cat, I would build a huge pen with a roof and everything. But then again I would love to own a thousand acres as I would build housing for all the animals I can rescue and have them all living with me. I am nuts like that. But alas I don't own my own property and I get pooped taking care of all the furry guys and gals I have now!
Thank you all this has turned out to be an awesome thread with alot of great information. I really appreciate it!
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Originally posted by Sheltieluvr: For reasons like that CK I believe cats need to be declawed. Some cats just NEED to be for the safety and sanity of the people in the house.
Yea, although I don't really condone it? There are times when I feel it is necessary. And with Sophie? Yep...It was necessary...
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And while I am on the subject...well not really the subject..but just need to vent I guess.
One of my girls..she's 13..is having surgey in the morning. Vet is pretty sure it's cancer. She has a tumor on her belly and we've been treating it for months and it's just not getting any better.
We have made the decision that IF it is cancer we are going to have her put down. But at the same time, she is eating well, and doing fine so we will just let nature take its course. Please pray for her...
We will know in about a week what the prognosis is...
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RE on de-clawing. Every cat we ever had was declawed when I was growing up. Not a one of them was a biter. But I suppose I'm just lucky? I only know from the 7 cats (all at varying times never at once) we had.
The last cat *I* had, who passed some years ago was declawed...both front and back feet. She used to be an indoor/outdoor cat. She never wandered out of the yard, just enjoyed the outside and sunning herself on the porch. However, once we moved to the farm, she decided she no longer wanted to be in the house. We tried everything to pursuade her to come inside and if forced, she'd just bolt for the door.
So she remained outdoors. Again, she never went farther than the barn, always taking comfort and security in staying close to home. But that cat would climb trees, and hunted everything from mice to shrews to birds and even snakes. She would leave these *presents* on the front porch. My mom nearly crapped her pants the first time a fat black snake was laying up on the porch with Izzy laying next to it like, "Didn't I do good?"
I could do anything with that cat, just as with the others. Baths, and even with Izzy, who I eventually had to have PTS after a lengthy battle with cancer never gave me a hard time when she was in pain with the nasal tumor.
I think a lot of it depends on the individual animal. Again, this was just my experience, and I do consider myself fortunate, because all the cats were really wonderful...and I am *NOT* a cat person by nature.
HB
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Originally posted by CJK: And while I am on the subject...well not really the subject..but just need to vent I guess.
One of my girls..she's 13..is having surgey in the morning. Vet is pretty sure it's cancer. She has a tumor on her belly and we've been treating it for months and it's just not getting any better.
We have made the decision that IF it is cancer we are going to have her put down. But at the same time, she is eating well, and doing fine so we will just let nature take its course. Please pray for her...
We will know in about a week what the prognosis is...
Best of luck with her, CK. I'll send a little prayer out for her.
HB
"Knowledge and timber shouldn't be much used till they are seasoned." ____________________________________________________ "With breeding there should come a sense of responsibility that is so heavy and weighty that it keeps you up at night."
Originally posted by HorneyBull: RE on de-clawing. Every cat we ever had was declawed when I was growing up. Not a one of them was a biter. But I suppose I'm just lucky? I only know from the 7 cats (all at varying times never at once) we had.
The last cat *I* had, who passed some years ago was declawed...both front and back feet. She used to be an indoor/outdoor cat. She never wandered out of the yard, just enjoyed the outside and sunning herself on the porch. However, once we moved to the farm, she decided she no longer wanted to be in the house. We tried everything to pursuade her to come inside and if forced, she'd just bolt for the door.
So she remained outdoors. Again, she never went farther than the barn, always taking comfort and security in staying close to home. But that cat would climb trees, and hunted everything from mice to shrews to birds and even snakes. She would leave these *presents* on the front porch. My mom nearly crapped her pants the first time a fat black snake was laying up on the porch with Izzy laying next to it like, "Didn't I do good?"
I could do anything with that cat, just as with the others. Baths, and even with Izzy, who I eventually had to have PTS after a lengthy battle with cancer never gave me a hard time when she was in pain with the nasal tumor.
I think a lot of it depends on the individual animal. Again, this was just my experience, and I do consider myself fortunate, because all the cats were really wonderful...and I am *NOT* a cat person by nature.
HB
Most of the cats I had as a child were de-clawed on the fronts and were perfect hunting and climbing, angels, too.
I certainly wouldn't want anyone to think they've screwed up their cat because of declawing, but knowing what we know now about the anatomy of the proceedure and the higher percentage of poor potty habits in declawed cats, I do not reccomend it. Like MsB said, it should be considered on a case by case basis and not looked at as "routine" vetting for a cat.
CK- So sorry to hear the ultimate test of friendship is nearing. Isn't this the girl that suprised you last time?! In my prayers.
Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies,
Originally posted by CJK: And while I am on the subject...well not really the subject..but just need to vent I guess.
One of my girls..she's 13..is having surgey in the morning. Vet is pretty sure it's cancer. She has a tumor on her belly and we've been treating it for months and it's just not getting any better.
We have made the decision that IF it is cancer we are going to have her put down. But at the same time, she is eating well, and doing fine so we will just let nature take its course. Please pray for her...
We will know in about a week what the prognosis is...
Best of luck with her, CK. I'll send a little prayer out for her.
HB
Thanks HB. She's been a wonderful cat and if it comes down to that she will be very much missed. The vet mentioned chemo, but at her age he didn't recommend it. Still don't know for sure if it's cancer or not, but he said he was about 70 percent sure that it is. We should know once the pathology results come back. I'm hoping it's not, but my heart tells me it probably is.
And btw...they had to postpone her surgery. Got a msg early this morning that he was called away for some kind of family emergency so they won't be removing the tumor until sometime next week.
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Originally posted by HorneyBull: RE on de-clawing. Every cat we ever had was declawed when I was growing up. Not a one of them was a biter. But I suppose I'm just lucky? I only know from the 7 cats (all at varying times never at once) we had.
The last cat *I* had, who passed some years ago was declawed...both front and back feet. She used to be an indoor/outdoor cat. She never wandered out of the yard, just enjoyed the outside and sunning herself on the porch. However, once we moved to the farm, she decided she no longer wanted to be in the house. We tried everything to pursuade her to come inside and if forced, she'd just bolt for the door.
So she remained outdoors. Again, she never went farther than the barn, always taking comfort and security in staying close to home. But that cat would climb trees, and hunted everything from mice to shrews to birds and even snakes. She would leave these *presents* on the front porch. My mom nearly crapped her pants the first time a fat black snake was laying up on the porch with Izzy laying next to it like, "Didn't I do good?"
I could do anything with that cat, just as with the others. Baths, and even with Izzy, who I eventually had to have PTS after a lengthy battle with cancer never gave me a hard time when she was in pain with the nasal tumor.
I think a lot of it depends on the individual animal. Again, this was just my experience, and I do consider myself fortunate, because all the cats were really wonderful...and I am *NOT* a cat person by nature.
HB
Most of the cats I had as a child were de-clawed on the fronts and were perfect hunting and climbing, angels, too.
I certainly wouldn't want anyone to think they've screwed up their cat because of declawing, but knowing what we know now about the anatomy of the proceedure and the higher percentage of poor potty habits in declawed cats, I do not reccomend it. Like MsB said, it should be considered on a case by case basis and not looked at as "routine" vetting for a cat.
CK- So sorry to hear the ultimate test of friendship is nearing. Isn't this the girl that suprised you last time?! In my prayers.
Thanks Hu, but no this isn't the same cat. The one you are talking about is (IMO) our miracle girl. She is totally back to normal and actually was running all over the house chasing a moth the other day. I still don't know how she came out of that. I truly thought she was a goner.
But thank you.
ETA: I have a bad habit (or some would call it so) of keeping my retired girls. I have 4 of them right now. 5, 10, 12, and 13 yrs old.
I know a lot of breeders that pet out their older, retired cats but I just can't bring myself to do that. I understand the concept of doing that, but for us, it's just not an option.
It seems callous to me. But that's just my opinion.
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Originally posted by Sheltieluvr: This thread has so much information in just a few posts. One thing explains my cats behavior. She is almost 8 and when she was a kitten yes I had her declawed . I didn't know at the time and got her spayed and declawed. But she bites and that just started a couple years ago. She bites when she doesn't want to be petted. She doesn't do it often and I thought it was just grumpiness but now I have to wonder. She also doesn't bite hard, just puts her teeth on your skin. This thread brought back an experience I had a couple years ago. Where we moved from there was a rescue for wild animals and to help the support of these animals they gave very educational tours. It helped support them financially and helped educate the public. All the animals there were animals that were purchased by people as pets. When they could no longer care for them or confiscated they ended up at this sanctuary. It was something I will never forget. Good luck to your friend Mya. I am sure it is a hard decision since she obviously loves the cat. If she didn't I am sure the decision of what to do would be easier. If she is unable to come up with a good solution maybe see if you have a sanctuary of some sort for wild animals in your area like the one I spoke of above. If not and you would like the name of the one I mentioned let me know. I know they get wild animals from all over the country. Oh and yeah they can still climb without front claws. My cat although is not allowed outside at our previous house she would sometimes get out thank goodness she never left our yard. But when she was ready to come back in she didn't use the stairs on the deck she just climbed up the side. Silly cat!
SL...although her biting issue COULD be the result of the declawing I highly doubt it. If so, it wouldn't make a lot of sense for her to wait several years before starting this behavior. I only have 3 cats now that are declawed (2 that came to me that way and the RB that I spoke of earlier). None of them are biters, but maybe I just got lucky....
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My whole presidence for the biting theory, is strictly an opinion and know of no studies to support it.
Common sense tells me if an animal is "excused" of it's first mechinism, it will use it's next.
Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies,
This thread has turned into an abnormal one for this forum.
Cool to hear the "Miracle" is still going strong!
Some are here because they hope to make a difference, others like to roll around in the feces. You'll be able to "sniff them out" in no time. -DJ's Doxies,
Originally posted by Hu-Dare: This thread has turned into an abnormal one for this forum.
Cool to hear the "Miracle" is still going strong!
It IS quite refreshing isn't it?
ETA: Yes, I am totally amazed of the turn around she did. She also recently got a lion cut which always makes my older girls turn into "giddy" teenagers. LOL
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Hu I know you are not saying every declawed cat bites. But once I read what MsB said I had to think about why my cat does what she does. Maybe it is from declawing maybe not. She is such a stubborn b*tchy girl and I say that with love. When she got declawed at the vets she thrashed around in the cage. The day after bringing her home I had to take her back to the vet as she had a cut on her eye. The vet assumed it happened when she thrashed at his office so did not charge me for that visit or the meds. She once took off at the vets office with the needle stuck in her and running through the waiting room. She was very grumpy. The receptionist told me that there was a red dot by her name on her record. When I asked what that meant she said it means to be careful, bad behaved cat. So her biting could very much be "her" but makes me wonder. She is not nasty all the time, just when away from the house and when she doesn't want attention. Otherwise she is the most affectionate cat I have ever had. CK, praying for your girl. Hope she turns out to be ok. Also HU, I love the way you put it. "the ultimate test of friendship is nearing" wow, isn't that just the truth as a pet owner. My mom always said when you bring that cute cuddly puppy/kitten home you never think about how hard it will be when they get old. But all the years in between are so worth it.
I don't know who the breeder of the hybrid is, but it is obvious that they did not know what they were doing, let alone socialize the cat. Sounds like the type of breeder who is doing hybrids only because they think they will make money. I would be interested to know what generation this cat is. I have a Bengal and F4 and F5 Savannahs. A couple of years back, I had an F3 here too. Other than having a tremendous amount of energy, they are every bit as loving as my Persians. My grandkids are around them all the time. I also can take them for walks just like you would a dog. Mine never bite nor pee inappropriately. They have all came from excellent breeders. Sometimes earlier generations may have bad habits but many do not. The breeder should be experienced enough to know that just because someone wants a hybrid doesn't mean they can handle it. Some buyers are not prepared for the amount of commitment that it takes when dealing with early generations. There are many that live in the house like any other cat, mine do. Others you must have the correct enclosure for them. BNs and SVs are very smart cats. I have not worked with Bobcat hybrids. You really have to child proof your house. They can open doors, cabinets, even your refridgerator. NEVER leave your toilet paper on the holder. It won't be there long. LOL It's just too bad your friend bought from a breeder like that. She should take the cat back since it is unsocialized. BTW, HU, I should be living in MO sometime late summer or early fall. Dennis and I are looking for a place big enough for me and the cattery. CJ
funny you mentioned tolit paper. My friend told me that she can't leave the tolit paper on the thingy because her cat pulls the whole roll off and stuffs it in the tolit and then flushes it. She said he has done this several times! I laughed my ass off. I think cats are too funny!
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. I didn't know at the time and got her spayed and declawed. But she bites and that just started a couple years ago. She bites when she doesn't want to be petted. She doesn't do it often and I thought it was just grumpiness but now I have to wonder. She also doesn't bite hard, just puts her teeth on your skin. 
