Since you are into preaching about the Bible and what it says, could you please give some input on the below? I'd like to know why it is that some people feel they can instill what they think "we" should follow in the Bible, while ignoring other things in the Bible. I mean, you should follow it, or not, right? Or wouldnt it be better to use it as a guide to be adapted how "we" see fit to live our lives better and more productive? I don't live BY the Bible or FOR the Bible. Much of it would put me in jail if I did, or I would be killed for my sins if others did. Who gets to say what is to be ignored and what is to be followed? I say its up to each individual how they worship, pray and live for their God. I suspect you are more Dr. Laura/Fred Phelps-ish. Very hypocritical. -------------------------------------
Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted fan, Jim
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There is your basic moral judgement that should be followed. However many do not have morals.
As for an individuals faith or lack there of, it is a personal choice.
As for sharing ones knowledge of the Bible, it is a simple of letting your actions speak for you.
You have radicals in every aspect of life, sad but true.
Now as far as I am concerned it is not good for anyone to do the Bible Thumping so to speak, but worse yet for another to make fun of ones beliefs no matter what their beliefs are.
A day will come when there is no more questions, I will either be right or wrong. For now, I will do my best to follow what I believe to be right and hope my actions show others the right path to take.
OH and the bible does in fact state that being homosexual is Wrong, not only that but it is Gross! JMHO
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Originally posted by myakkacity: There is your basic moral judgement that should be followed. However many do not have morals.
As for an individuals faith or lack there of, it is a personal choice.
As for sharing ones knowledge of the Bible, it is a simple of letting your actions speak for you.
You have radicals in every aspect of life, sad but true.
Now as far as I am concerned it is not good for anyone to do the Bible Thumping so to speak, but worse yet for another to make fun of ones beliefs no matter what their beliefs are.
A day will come when there is no more questions, I will either be right or wrong. For now, I will do my best to follow what I believe to be right and hope my actions show others the right path to take.
OH and the bible does in fact state that being homosexual is Wrong, not only that but it is Gross! JMHO
What a great piece of reading this is.
It is gross?
The bible also says that WEARING TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF THREAD is wrong. So SO WHAT the Bible says something is wrong. It says a LOT of things are wrong, yet most of them are ignored to suit the purpose of the person who is judging another. That is what is gross.
MsB
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Mya, I think that was addressed by the poster that replied to Dr. Laura. I don't think he was questioning that. I think he was questioning the fact that if THAT is a sin, then so are MANY other things humans do on a daily basis that could be construed as JUST as much of an abomination, such as working on Sunday??? They should be put to death? OOOKKKAAAYYYY, tell that to the millions of people that are forced to work on Sunday just to put a roof over their families heads.
And that is just ONE example. It is common knowledge that the bible was written by man. Humans...who make mistakes. It is also common knowledge that the bible was written YEARS after Jesus died...so who is to say what is the correct interpretation?
He said, she said..plain and simple. I have no doubt that some things in the bible are true and correct, but I feel that about 90 percent of it is nothing more than one person's interpretation. I have a really hard time buying most of it. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in God, or Jesus. I just don't believe in the BIBLE.
Okay, I mis-spoke when I said it was ONE person's interpretation...I didn't mean that. It actually was the interpretation of several people; all of which were humans. But the bottom line is still the same.
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Originally posted by myakkacity: There is your basic moral judgement that should be followed. However many do not have morals.
As for an individuals faith or lack there of, it is a personal choice.
As for sharing ones knowledge of the Bible, it is a simple of letting your actions speak for you.
You have radicals in every aspect of life, sad but true.
Now as far as I am concerned it is not good for anyone to do the Bible Thumping so to speak, but worse yet for another to make fun of ones beliefs no matter what their beliefs are.
A day will come when there is no more questions, I will either be right or wrong. For now, I will do my best to follow what I believe to be right and hope my actions show others the right path to take.
OH and the bible does in fact state that being homosexual is Wrong, not only that but it is Gross! JMHO
What a great piece of reading this is.
It is gross?
The bible also says that WEARING TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF THREAD is wrong. So SO WHAT the Bible says something is wrong. It says a LOT of things are wrong, yet most of them are ignored to suit the purpose of the person who is judging another. That is what is gross.
MsB
OH simple mind! you are reading from the old testament! Did you not hear the Good News, Jesus walked the earth and then died for our sins. He said no longer would it be an eye for an eye, but rather, love your neighbor as you love yourself.
But if you want to live by the old testament then good luck with that!
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CJK, again, old vs new! Jesus answered on the subject of the sabbath when questioned about his disciples were seen plucking the heads of grain and eating it. He said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
there are many verses to this subject and I am sure it would bore you if I went on. The Bible is a history of events that were written in the times that they happened and later put together into the book we have now called the Bible.
It is the Living word of God. It gives us a rich history and a map of how we should behave and care for one another.
Unforutneatly many people pick and chose what they want to except as God's Word and therefor twist the whole of God's Word in the process.
It is a personal choice to read, learn from or believe what is in the Bible. It all comes from Faith!
Personally, I believe the Bible is God's Word and I do my best to live by it. However I am not perfect, and I have my own free will as does every individual in exsistance.
Many people get upset when they pray for something and get no response that they can recognize. Sometimes it is because the answer is the opposite of what they were praying for, sometimes it is because when the answer came their free will got in the way of them recognizing the answer.
Kind of like having a broken toy and bringing it to someone to fix. When the person fixing it is either not working fast enough for us or they are doing it in a way that makes no sense to how we believe it should be fixed, we take the toy back and try to do it ourselves. Funny thing is, if you just left it alone and waited, the toy would have been fixed and most likely would have never broken again.
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Oh and before I am berated for my comment about homosexuality being gross, let me make this clear. It is not natural.
I love all mankind as my Father in Heaven loves me. I will help anyone that requires my help not giving to judgement of color, race, sexual choice, past or present sins {crimes}.
However, I do not need to except homosexuality as I do believe it to be against God. I also DO NOT need to know how someone has sex or with who!
Why does it have to be told to the word who a person is having sex with? That is the biggest problem with Gay people, their stupid need to tell everyone what they do in the bed room and with who! For crying out loud that is just sick, stupid and gross!
How about we all start telling people how we take a dump, at what time and what color and smell it was. Oh and cry and whine when people don't except us because we simply gave out to much information.
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And I am not talking about the "bi-curious"...that is nothing but a fad in my opinon. For some reason, there are some (espcially females) who think it's "cool" to be bi-curious (Lindsey Lohan instantly comes to mind), but that is not what I see as being homosexual. That's just wanting to be "different". And in the spotlight.
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Originally posted by myakkacity: Oh and before I am berated for my comment about homosexuality being gross, let me make this clear. It is not natural.
I love all mankind as my Father in Heaven loves me. I will help anyone that requires my help not giving to judgement of color, race, sexual choice, past or present sins {crimes}.
However, I do not need to except homosexuality as I do believe it to be against God. I also DO NOT need to know how someone has sex or with who!
Why does it have to be told to the word who a person is having sex with? That is the biggest problem with Gay people, their stupid need to tell everyone what they do in the bed room and with who! For crying out loud that is just sick, stupid and gross!
How about we all start telling people how we take a dump, at what time and what color and smell it was. Oh and cry and whine when people don't except us because we simply gave out to much information.
I love the poop comment.
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Considering RL told me to read the Book of Job and specifically gave me a link where this was the first paragraph, actually, I am dead on with my comments....how can you tell a person to believe in one part, but not another? Who says who gets to pick and choose? Bold emphasis mine.
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [show]Part of a series of articles on the Old Testament The Book of Job has been called “the most profound and literary work of the entire Old Testament”.[1] The numerous exegeses of the Book of Job are classic attempts to address the problem of evil, i.e. the problem of reconciling the existence of evil or suffering in the world with the existence of God. Scholars are divided as to the origin, intent, and meaning of the book.
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Originally posted by CJK: OH,and this is MY belief and NOBODY is going to change that....not even my father.
People do NOT choose to be gay!!!!!
They are born that way. It is a proven fact that there is a malfunction in the DNA of their brains. THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY. They can NOT help it.
Just as those of us who are born with a predisposition of diabetes or high blood pressure..etc, etc.
WHY IS IT SO HARD TO SEE THAT???
In my life I have yet to meet a Gay person that was born that way. Lets take my Aunt for instance. When I was about 12, my mother moved up into the city into a 3 story building were my aunt lived on the 2nd floor and a gay woman lived on the first. I got to see my fair share of this sick world, {that is not to say this was my only introduction to this type of behavior} Anyways, my aunt who had two children and had been married before. Started hanging out with the women down stairs where they were all very heavy into drugs and drinking. She eventually got 'married' to a women who had 6 kids. That lasted about 3 years. Funny thing though, when my aunt got sober she was no longer gay! Hmmmmmmm. Now she is married to a man!
I have personally known several gay people that were conviently gay for a few years and then all of a sudden weren't! Hmmmmmmm
Sexuality is a choice! Who, when and were you f*ck is a choice. I will say this again, why the hell does everyone have to tell everyone else who they are screwing and expect us to except that. I don't care if two people want to live together but damn it, I don't need to know what goes on behind closed door.
I do however believe that there are some that are born into the wrong body. That is so much different from being GAY!
So you can tell me all day long that all Gays are born that way, but in my experience I can say that for the most part it is just a twisted choice, often brought on by drugs and drinking or just sexual experiementing.
If Gay was an effect of birth then you would have to say that pedifiles are born that way. NO THEY ARE JUST TWISTED PEOPLE WITH SICK SEXUAL NEEDS!
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Originally posted by MsBehave: Considering RL told me to read the Book of Job and specifically gave me a link where this was the first paragraph, actually, I am dead on with my comments....how can you tell a person to believe in one part, but not another? Who says who gets to pick and choose? Bold emphasis mine.
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [show]Part of a series of articles on the Old Testament The Book of Job has been called “the most profound and literary work of the entire Old Testament”.[1] The numerous exegeses of the Book of Job are classic attempts to address the problem of evil, i.e. the problem of reconciling the existence of evil or suffering in the world with the existence of God. Scholars are divided as to the origin, intent, and meaning of the book.
There is no picking and chosing when it comes to the bible and I say beware of anyone that tells you that there is! Personally I have issue with many religions because of the pick and chose aspect of it.
There is nothing that I hate more then someone that will take just a few words from the bible and twist it to what they are saying. Screw that and believe it or not those people are far worse off then the unbelieving person.
If you read the bible, you must read it all. Reading bits and pieces is like reading any manual and only taking the parts that are easy to do! what ever your building is not going to work right ever! LOL
Job is a hard book for anyone to read and not many that do read it can understand its true meaning. Many people cannot fathom that God would allow anyone to suffer so! In fact so many people say they can't believe in a God that would allow anyone to suffer at all.
I laugh at this! Oh how I have suffered and can Thank God for every ounce of pain I have suffered for without it I would not be who I am.
Look at the Bible and I dare you to show me one place that tells that God has never inflicted Pain, Suffering, Starvation ect. Heck People he Flooded the entire world!
My God is a God that takes NO SHIT! He don't play games! But He is also a very loving God! You may not understand that as I am saying it because of how we live in this world. A father that truly loves you as a child WILL correct you! I was stripped of everything! I do mean everything! I had a chose to allow God to change my life or to walk away and continue a life full of stuff and people! I knew because I read Job that what ever was taken from me would be returned! What I gained in the end has not been riches or stuff. But self respect and unconditional love.
I can love a person and hate what they are doing! Yes I have my opinion about homosexuality, however I would never walk away from anyone in need including my worst enemy!
So I will jump off here. But I will leave this with you. God's word is His Word for our lives. It is NOT a book of Hate or a Weapon to cause pain and suffering in the lives of anyone.
If anyone ever tells you that you can pick and chose tell them that they need to get their life right with God before they speak of His Ways or His Word otherwise they are guilty of turning a person away from His Love rather then toward it as they should!
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CJK I do not mean to offend you and hope I haven't! I love a good debate that is all! YOur beliefs are yours and my beliefs are mine and that my friend is what makes us individuals.
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Originally posted by myakkacity: CJK I do not mean to offend you and hope I haven't! I love a good debate that is all! YOur beliefs are yours and my beliefs are mine and that my friend is what makes us individuals.
Hey g/f. Give me a break. I KNOW we don't agree and I love a good debate also.
Just because we don't agree, doesn't mean I don't think you're the tits!!! LOL
I think you are an awesome person. But I don't agree with some of your ideals....but that's what makes America great.
It's of my opinion that we can love the messenger but not the message... And vice/versa.
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I love the poop comment.
And vice/versa.