quote:Originally posted by claire: God's Original plan was Adam and Eve. He told Adam and Eve to multiply. God's Original Plan.
Two people of the same sex being together is one of man's plans, not God's.
Does anyone recall the story of Sodom and Gomorrah ? Genesis 19:24-25. That pretty much sums it up.
In the Bible, throughout the New Testament, sexual immorality is uniformly condemned. Jesus condemned lust in the heart (Matthew 5:28), adultery and fornication (Matthew 5:32-33). Paul said the sexually immoral, including fornicators, adulterers and homosexuals, will not inherit the kingdom of God.
I have to agree with the Bible on this one.
If you people are so damn set on living in a completely christian country, MOVE! America wasn't made for assholes like you to say what is right and wrong. These people aren't christian, and you people don't show much christianlike behavior. Christians DO NOT judge, what do you think you're doing now? Hmm, judging maybe? And who gives a poo if they are married. Let THEM deal with god if there is one. Their 'sins' are NONE of your damn business! It doesn't involve you!
quote:Originally posted by Whisper still: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Purfect Dream: whisper I am shock ! Rose wants counsel with your husband the minister never turn a child of God away
It bees that way sometimes. Some are shocked at things Rose argues about and "as for me and my house" we choose not to get into the foray...Rose has a minister who teaches the doctrines she believes, in her church. I suggest she work with him to sort out her biblical questions FACE-TO-FACE!!
Or maybe your minister would get on line and be a resource for her to carry on such a discussion. She has proven in many threads that her interest is in arguing and not learning. So, she will have to find another minister to take these subjects up with. No more to say on this post.
Very well said Whisper! I agree, rose has no benign intentions.
quote:Originally posted by Purfect Dream: Whisper still Don't worry I doubt my preacher has the time to get on the PC . I was kind of making a Joke any ways
Sorry, PD, if I sounded hateful. That is not my nature BUT arguing religious beliefs also is not my nature. I feel that Rose, on the other hand, has that as her goal in most of her postings. I (and I do not speak for my husband as he is perfectly capable of doing that himself!) think it is totally UN-Christian to ARGUE the Bible or anyone's beliefs because those confrontations are done with an ill-will. JMHO! And, BTW, I am not directing this at you, PD, but used this post to reply to the thread in general... I believe a person has every right to express their OPINION and their beliefs BUT I do NOT go along with the ravings of someone who simply starts an argument about God, Bible or judgement of others....I actually took the time to pray about this and still feel sure about how I see this thread...I advise Rose or any other believer to go to the church of THEIR choice, listen to THEIR minister, PRAY to THEIR God, live THEIR life according to THEIR beliefs and leave others to do the same things! Just live our lives the best we can..
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quote:Originally posted by claire: God's Original plan was Adam and Eve. He told Adam and Eve to multiply. God's Original Plan.
Two people of the same sex being together is one of man's plans, not God's.
Does anyone recall the story of Sodom and Gomorrah ? Genesis 19:24-25. That pretty much sums it up.
In the Bible, throughout the New Testament, sexual immorality is uniformly condemned. Jesus condemned lust in the heart (Matthew 5:28), adultery and fornication (Matthew 5:32-33). Paul said the sexually immoral, including fornicators, adulterers and homosexuals, will not inherit the kingdom of God.
I have to agree with the Bible on this one.
Thank-you for this post Claire.
"Be Civil, Or Be Gone." (Quote By Moderator Extraordinaire)
I do not care what your beliefs are as long as it does not interfer with my own .if I was hateful about my statement you would Know . I have seen too many people reading into what others post which is beyond crazy . The bible is not meant to be argued .. I just think if a person is seeking guidance from any minister, a minister should help... I don't know how serious Rose was but Please don't read into this post as being hateful when there is nothing hateful in my thoughts when I type this .
quote:Originally posted by Whisper still:
quote:Originally posted by Purfect Dream: Whisper still Don't worry I doubt my preacher has the time to get on the PC . I was kind of making a Joke any ways
Sorry, PD, if I sounded hateful. That is not my nature BUT arguing religious beliefs also is not my nature. I feel that Rose, on the other hand, has that as her goal in most of her postings. I (and I do not speak for my husband as he is perfectly capable of doing that himself!) think it is totally UN-Christian to _ARGUE_ the Bible or anyone's beliefs because those confrontations are done with an ill-will. JMHO! And, BTW, I am not directing this at you, PD, but used this post to reply to the thread in general... I believe a person has every right to express their OPINION and their beliefs BUT I do NOT go along with the ravings of someone who simply starts an argument about God, Bible or judgement of others....I actually took the time to pray about this and still feel sure about how I see this thread...I advise Rose or any other believer to go to the church of THEIR choice, listen to THEIR minister, PRAY to THEIR God, live THEIR life according to THEIR beliefs and leave others to do the same things! Just live our lives the best we can..
PD, I apologize if I sounded like I thought you were being hateful. That was not my intention. I meant to be talking in general about beliefs not specifically to any one....
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Whisper I don't have a problem with you .I just thought it odd to turn a person away .but you must had a reason and that is you right to do so. I would hope that God would not turn me away if I came to him (again this was not to be hateful) I just thought preachers and Ministers where like Gods sheperds when it came to gathering Gods floak < sp one lost soul is just as bad as if the whole herd was lost.
Linda, If her husband is not a member of this board, then it really isn't fair to ask him to post, is it? I understand your thinking, but I have not seen any posts on here by any ministers or preachers. It would be different if he were a member and posted all the time. Do you see?
I wouldn't ask a member's husband to post me some legal information just because I know he is a lawyer because he is not a member of this board. Do you understand where I'm coming from? Also, Rose has professed to attending church regularly, so she must have her own minister that she can speak with. There are also toll free lines that one can call if they are just seeking counsel, etc. Prayer lines, all kinds of religious services free of charge. There are probably religious talk forums and chat rooms---I can't swear there are, but since there is a forum for darn near everything else, I'd be willing to bet there is. What happened here is that Rose was baiting Whisper and I'll just leave it at that. No one likes to be baited.
quote: First off patches God meant man and woman to marry not same sexes! and for you to state that it is a shame that the government is stepping in is Crazy!
Then you state "I do not care what your beliefs are as long as it does not interfer with my own"
Those statments smack of your entire mind set,, say one thing then contradict yourself within the same thread. Who are YOU to tell anyone whats right and wrong?? Its totally assinine to walk into somones bedroom and say hey you cant sleep with that person or marry them because they are the same sex as you, its so well, Hitler! Isnt that what hitler did? Told people they coudlnt marry, sell to, buy from or associate with Jewish people?? Its NO ONES bussiness but THEIRS.
jennifer man can legalize same sex marriages all they want! that does not over ride the LORD'S law or his words it even states this in the bible same sex marriages or unions is forbidden. Hiltler wanted a pure race jennifer not that you would understand history
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quote:Originally posted by Sally: Linda, If her husband is not a member of this board, then it really isn't fair to ask him to post, is it? I understand your thinking, but I have not seen any posts on here by any ministers or preachers. It would be different if he were a member and posted all the time. Do you see?
I wouldn't ask a member's husband to post me some legal information just because I know he is a lawyer because he is not a member of this board. Do you understand where I'm coming from? Also, Rose has professed to attending church regularly, so she must have her own minister that she can speak with. There are also toll free lines that one can call if they are just
seeking counsel, etc. Prayer lines, all kinds of religious services free of charge. There are probably religious talk forums and chat rooms---I can't swear there are, but since there is a forum for darn near everything else, I'd be willing to bet there is. What happened here is that Rose was baiting Whisper and I'll just leave it at that. No one likes to be baited.
by the way I should also mention our governement has NO right to tell same sex marriage people NOT to do so if for no other reason than clearly they arent doing a great job trying to enforce simple opposite sex marriages,, divorce rate is outragouse anyone happen to notice?
And what in the HELL could be so awful about it anyways?
Same sex marriages coudlnt be any higher in spousal abuse rates, child abuse rates, let alone the divorce rates of heterosexual couples.
The primarly reason some christans dont want to see it happen is because they have this horrible black book they call a bible full of statments made by a group of very violent people whom we KNOW are violent thanks to the many news blurbs about a bomb going off first here then on the other "sides" land that they did to each other again always in retrobution for the others last bombing or shooting,,, omg WISE UP come on!!
Have you watched the violence those people do to each other?? Are these really people we want to take thier word for anything?? Dont think for ONE second christianity is NON-VIOLENT cause if you do , boy do I have a history lesson that will knock you on your backside,,,, write it down lest ye forget baby, so that we are not ALL doomed to repeat our past mistakes.
Jennifer your statement proves you Don't have a clue yeah there has been wars over christianity and, you are like the none believer that put people to death in the Roman empire just because you think there is no God does not mean there isn't !read GENESIS CHAPTER 19 then tell me that same sex marriage is ok
Uh okay then,, first off I never condemned anyone for thier beliefs,, that would be YOU ,, YOUR the one saying its wrong to do this or that because of what YOU choose to believe in. Secondly would you like a history lesson about the violence of christianity? Probably not is my guess, and Im sure you wont read it but here ya go anyways.
It started with the very early history of christianity,, moved to the crusades then the inquisition,, then we went through reformation , witch burning and the holocaust (hitler WAS christian which is why he sought out the famouse roman sword) and now its christians against homosexuality, abortion and still wiccians who have prevailed irregardless of the narrow minded ignorance.
Now then if you would actually like to enlighten yourself and read about those violent acts and see just how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people those proudly calling themselves christians have killed let me know and Ill be happy to share the numbers with you linda sharp, but I dont think you honestly care. You want it your way or no way and this doesnt even have a damn thing do to with religion no matter what I say you just wanna fight cause your pissy and mad at what you call your "god" who never gives you what you want while those you hate DO get what they want.
Hold hate in your heart PD, mabey someday you'll get what ya want just cause ya want it so much forget working for it and taking the time to learn somthing new. Oh and one more thing, Im not against ANY religion,, I am against teaching people , namely children that its alright to hate others because they are different from Yourself.
My gay friend, who is happily going out with her girlfriend, wrote this WONDERFUL persuasive paper for school about why gay marriages should be allowed. She had many good points. I would post it here, but I do not want people bashing things that she says because I would take it into high offense. But I just thought Id say, she has some good valid points in her paper. Valid points that Im sure you could find in any gay marriage argument. You guys that dont believe in gay marriage should really take into account what gay people have to say about it, there side of the story. My friend goes to church almost every Sunday with her grandmother. Even though yes God did not intend for same sex marriage, you christians should really not go judging on what gay people want to do with THEIR LIVES, it is exactly that, THEIR LIVES, THEIR SINS, let them live with that. Do not judge them. Do not stop their happiness with their partner because you want to make sure everyone is perfect and does not decieve God, worry about yourself, worry about your sins that you probably make everyday!
quote:Originally posted by Susie: My gay friend, who is happily going out with her girlfriend, wrote this WONDERFUL persuasive paper for school about why gay marriages should be allowed. She had many good points. I would post it here, but I do not want people bashing things that she says because I would take it into high offense. But I just thought Id say, she has some good valid points in her paper. Valid points that Im sure you could find in any gay marriage argument. You guys that dont believe in gay marriage should really take into account what gay people have to say about it, there side of the story. My friend goes to church almost every Sunday with her grandmother. Even though yes God did not intend for same sex marriage, you christians should really not go judging on what gay people want to do with THEIR LIVES, it is exactly that, THEIR LIVES, THEIR SINS, let them live with that. Do not judge them. Do not stop their happiness with their partner because you want to make sure everyone is perfect and does not decieve God, worry about yourself, worry about your sins that you probably make everyday!
My gut is just churning from posts similar to this one.
Marriage between a MAN AND A WOMAN is ordained of GOD. The family is central to the Creators's plan for the eternal destiny of His children.
The FIRST COMMANDMENT that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as HUSBAND AND WIFE.
God's commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force.
God has COMMANDED that the SACRED powers of procreation are to be employed only between a MAN AND A WOMAN, lawfully wedded as HUSBAND AND WIFE.
Children are ENTITLED to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a FATHER AND A MOTHER who honor marital vows with complete fidelity.
Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ.
"Be Civil, Or Be Gone." (Quote By Moderator Extraordinaire)
Rose, I already stated that God did NOT intend us to have same sex marriage, so why repeat it? Your not helping the argument out at all, you just basically repeated the same thing except in different lines from the one line that I had " God did not intend us to have same sex marriages " Worry about your owns sins, not the sins of others. Its their lives, if they wanna go to hell, or disobey God, GOOD FOR THEM!! Its none of your business! Let God and gay people DEAL WITH IT!
Uh okay then,, first off I never condemned anyone for thier beliefs,, that would be YOU ,, YOUR the one saying its wrong to do this or that because of what YOU choose to believe in. Secondly would you like a history lesson about the violence of christianity? Probably not is my guess, and Im sure you wont read it but here ya go anyways. (Answer) Jennifer you made it very clear you did not believe in God and you prove this by support gay marriages which are not in the plans of God! Did you read the chapter where God destroy 2 cities? Probably not though since you think the bible is just a book!. It started with the very early history of christianity,, moved to the crusades then the inquisition,, then we went through reformation , witch burning and the holocaust (hitler WAS christian which is why he sought out the famouse roman sword) and now its christians against homosexuality, abortion and still wiccians who have prevailed irregardless of the narrow minded ignorance. (Answer) Talking about witch Craft you know john Edwards who claim to speak to the Dead this is a form of witch craft which is something that God states is very wrong and not to deal with people like this. No wonder I don’t care for you . Hitler wanted a pure raise his actions where not to farther the causes of Christianity Geeez if you going to speak get it right and you must hate the German race the way you spout off about Hitler & before you go there What Hitler done was wrong but I wont haate every German for Hitler’s Crime Now then if you would actually like to enlighten yourself and read about those violent acts and see just how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people those proudly calling themselves christians have killed let me know and Ill be happy to share the numbers with you linda sharp, but I dont think you honestly care. You want it your way or no way and this doesnt even have a damn thing do to with religion no matter what I say you just wanna fight cause your pissy and mad at what you call your "god" who never gives you what you want while those you hate DO get what they want. (Answer) the reasons this people died was the believed in Jesus and the rules did not want this so they Killed all that would not state there was no son of god or one TRUE GOD! Jennifer there will be a time that millions will die because they wont take the mark of the beast and if I have to Die to show the world that JESUS is the SON of THE ONE TRUE GOD then I will gladly do so because people like you will never see the glory and you will sure be damn in a lake of fire . I pray that you allow you children to decide what their beliefs are and not force yours on them! Oh before I forget Joseph is going to church now. So he can see both sides of the coin . Jennifer God gives me love and not everyone gets everything they want right away if they do it won’t last. Reason I say this if you keep getting what you want you wont know how to work to keep it when Jesus comes I will have everything I need earthly things are no good after you are dead Jennifer Hold hate in your heart PD, mabey someday you'll get what ya want just cause ya want it so much forget working for it and taking the time to learn somthing new. Oh and one more thing, Im not against ANY religion,, I am against teaching people , namely children that its alright to hate others because they are different from Yourself. (Answer)I have no hate in my heart I just don’t like it when grown people see the need to cause trouble after they said time & time again they want to move on. But in reality they plot to harm someone business or personally. Jennifer would you WANT TO LEARN FROM A PERSON THAT RIPPED YOU OFF? I CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU NO YOU WOULD NOT .Get off that high horse girlie you are no better then I am!
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