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Who is Satan? (I found this online)

The following article is not written in defense of Satanism, but rather in the true pagan roots that its history lies in. It is essential to bear in mind that neither paganism nor pagans accept the existence of the devil, regarding him as a Christian creation. The legend of Satan, in Christian mythology, like nearly all the Christian stories, has its roots firmly set in pagan history, whether deriving from Woden and Thunor from Saxon England to Pan, the god of goats, from Greece. It must be understood that with the advent of Christianity, the established Pagan religion was changed, altered, assimilated, and often demonized by those seeking to convert the Folk to Christianity.

History of Satan

The first thing the Christians did to convert the "evil" pagans and heathens top Christianity was to dualize peoples’ ideas, stating that this god is good and this god is evil. Naturally people would be attracted to the "good" by human nature. Then, it was an easy step to persuade people into believing there was only one god: all the others are demons, and Woden, Lord of Nature and Horned God is the devil, or Satan. Satan himself only appears evil in the teachings of the Slave religions: The anti- Natural beliefs enforced on us by Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. All three beliefs have their common root, but Satan’s natural roots are pagan.

Like set from Aryan Egypt, Pan, or the War God Woden (Odin/Wotan), these gods caused the Christ lings great fear. A true religion has balance. Equal good for equal bad. The two are in essence the same thing. The difference between the two, the righteousness of it depending upon who the observer is. But one cannot exist with out the other, just like darkness and light, male and female, positive and negative, etc.

So, why is Satan so "evil"? Well the Christians fought fear with fear. They demonized our natural gods. By doing this they demonized you. Once fear had engulfed our people, we could be controlled. They turned our faith into something evil to suit their own goals.

The Image Of Satan

Satan’s imagery is certainly something that should never be feared. Not at least by those in touch with their true roots. His image is symbolic to us in many ways and comes from many roots. Firstly, his horns. Many Indo-European gods had horns though and I can`t think of any of them being evil. Herne the Hunter (Woden), Pan, and Cernnonus were all portrayed with horns. All the lords of the forest, its trees and its beasts, many of whom are horned. The forest was the provider of everything our forefathers needed to live. Food and shelter, for example. No evil there. These gods represent a male side. The horn is still used as slang meaning erection and wanting sex. He is the male side of the Earth Provider. Mother Earth being the female side (naturally)! Here we have the balance.

Nature and Pagan Deities

However, still today people are turned away from their natural roots and discouraged from returning to their forefathers beliefs, because of being accused of Satanism. Satanism is a Christian invention, and really only portrays the dark side of THAT religion: the perverse and sick side of this unnatural faith. Both Christian and Satanist are unbalanced. Both steer to the extreme good or bad and both will fail you in the end.

Before this dualism was implanted, pagan societies didn't label natural forces with such absolute moral attributes. These were creative and destructive forces in Nature, often symbolized as gods. But even the destructive aspects had creative purposes, and were part of a transcendent cosmic unity. In essence, a pagan does not believe the world was created by god, but rather the world IS god, with different deities representing different elements. Our ancestors could not understand why the sun went down, or why it rained, so they attributed matters to the work of different gods. By personifying them, it also became easier to form relationships with them by our forefathers.

There were gods for war, gods for craftsmen, crop deities, gods who looked after the dead, even gods who cared for drinking wells, caves and springs and areas of the forest. The Horned God, Lord of the Forest was believed to mate with the goddess in Spring, fertilizing the land and its inhabitants. The Horned God was the most revered and principled god of the Folk, and was honored and celebrated by the people. Those who claim to be Satanist today are in truth confused and not in line with their true folkish roots. The Horned God of the Forest, whom Satan stems from, is a deity of goodness, who has been simply demonized into this satanic character by the Christians to take the pagan folk away from their own natural beliefs and into the faith of the crucified one!
 
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Thank you very, VERY much so. Interesting read. I know if rose reads this she'll have a hissy fit.

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It is a purely christian invention. Jews do not believe in satan or heaven and hell.
 
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carla are you jewish?

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Why does it matter?
 
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I agree it shouldnt matter what religion she is. And I agree that satan IS a tool created by the christian church in an attempt to control and convert. If you read any of the jewish texts satan is not mentioned, there is no hell, its ashes to ashes and dust to dust.

Hell was actually called I believe "hela" and was a place of eternal fires, a REAL place where the fires were kept burning night and day. It was dubbed "hell" and the story twisted into a place your SOUL goes after death because when people whos bodies were unclaimed passed on, or animals/people who were diseased died, it was law that the bodies went there for cremation to keep the disease from spreading. Even in those days humans knew disease was spread of the body wasnt totally burned or buried.

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If jewish people do not believe in satan why is he mention in old testament?Which is basically written by jewish men.
 
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It is? I was not aware of that? Chapter and verse please. thanks
 
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The book of Revelations is quite interesting. It talks about the War in Heaven and how Satan was thrown out along with all of his cohorts. They are here on earth today. They have no bodies and will never have a body. Just how many are here, we do not know. But they are here with us on the earth tempting us to break the commandments and even worse..........they want us to deny God even exists. Did you know though that there is one thing Satan and his angels of darkness can't do? They can't read our minds!
 
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Rose, how come you don't write anything, you just repost your own post by using the quote button?

It would be more intelligent if you wrote something afterwards.
 
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IMO, after taking a Theology class in college, the Old Testament of the bible as we know it today is folklore & stories handed down through the generations & translated several times from different languages & like all stories, something is added or taken away to make the story more interesting...Also in translation, words are changed since not all languages have the same meaning & therefore the actual meaning of the verse or story has changed...I think the meaning of the word "Christanity" has been redefined, since Jesus was a Jew & not an actual Christian, as we today know the meaning to be...The theory of "Heaven vs Hell" was developed to instill fear into the human race in an attempt to sway all of us to be "Christians"...The term "Christianity" is a generic term that seems to be applied whenever it suits the speakers needs...The difference of opinion is very evident in the many types of denomination of churches there are today...I therefore do not believe that any one God will come back & take only one group...If that is the case, would it not stand to reason that the Jewish faith will the only ones going to "Heaven"????...Afterall, Jesus was Jewish!!
 
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I see Rose didn't miss another opportunity to use the "delete" button. ROFLMAO
 
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rotflol this needs to stay on top for a while

To be or not to be. that is the true question

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What did Rose delete this time???
 
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She bumped up one of her old posts and didn't say anything, just used the quote button and then after I posted, she came back and deleted it.
Our notorious deleter in action on a Saturday night, or was it friday night? doesn't matter, any night will do. hehe Wink
 
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Oh,I fiqured she'd given me the business for my opinion of the bible, hell, ect...I just don't understand why she does this stuff!!!
 
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Maybe she's just bored? could be.
 
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Who is Satan - why, it's Rose, or course - nobody else smells that bad.
 
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rotflol OMG what a laugh

To be or not to be. that is the true question

http://www.purfectdreamcattery.com/purfect_dream_home_001.htm

 
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Originally posted by Purfect Dream:
rotflol OMG what a laugh

To be or not to be. that is the true question

http://www.purfectdreamcattery.com/purfect_dream_home_001.htm

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Who is Satan?
Satan is a formal Hebrew name for the devil and means adversary, signifying that he wages open war with the truth and all who obey its principles.
 
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